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I know it's the Beatles, but this is not notable - and all these characters can be discussed in the individual articles. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 10:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

On second thoughts, looking at this, this page should be deleted and locked. The guy has had the page deleted before. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 10:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete per WP:SPEEDY G4: Recreation of deleted material. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 10:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. It's not eligible for speedy (G4) as it has not had a previous AfD discussion. The article should be removed, but I'd like to see some of the information sourced and put in the various articles. BradV 12:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep as it is, or convert to prose. I don't think the argument that it is not notable is valid. It is as notable as, or more notable than List of Kill Bill characters or other similar pages. Another argument, that there are no sources, is true, but I think it should be kept for the same reason we keep plot summaries in film articles (the film itself is the source). Perhaps this could be placed as prose into The Beatles, but that article is already quite lengthy. Ward3001 (talk) 14:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Characters in films are different to characters referenced perhaps one or twice in a song. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 15:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • How? What makes film characters more notable than characters in a song, especially when more people have heard the song than have seen the film? Ward3001 (talk) 17:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - Every character and every song can easily be sourced. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and this is an encyclopedic article. Several characters have entered pop culture... Particularly notable is the list of real people included in the songs, near the end of the article... Frog47 (talk) 19:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete: Non-notable. A character mentioned or reference in a song is much different that a character in a book or film (and even those characters should have established notability, sources, and out-of-universe information). Mr. Absurd (talk) 02:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  • How? What makes film characters more notable than characters in a song, especially when more people have heard the song than have seen the film? Ward3001 (talk) 02:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't really think you can make any valid comparison between a character in a film and a character in a song. I mean, for one thing, a film character actually appears on screen, has conversations, a backstory, personality, etc., and besides the in-universe information there's the origin of the character, perhaps casting or production information, development of character, etc. This really wouldn't be possible for a character in a song. Also, the reason for having lists of characters is because characters are vital to the plot of a film. I don't really see the point of this list at all. Mr. Absurd (talk) 04:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Likewise, the character Eleanor Rigby is vital to the song Eleanor Rigby, as are hundreds of other characters in The Beatles' music. And I think it's fair to say that, within the time restrictions of a song (about two to four minutes), most of The Beatles' characters are developed (i.e., personality, backstory, etc.) about as much as a film character could be developed in two to four minutes. Ward3001 (talk) 05:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)