Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Ballad of Stuffed Trigger
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The Ballad of Stuffed Trigger
Fails WP:MUSIC, unreleased albums are not notable unless there has been substantial coverage in reliable sources. Mdsummermsw (talk) 18:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Redirectto The_Residents#1969-1972:_Residents_Unincorporated. This album is not notable enough for its own article. Since it has been mentioned in books [1], [2] it is a plausible search term. Bláthnaid 19:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Changing to merge. Torc is correct. Bláthnaid 20:39, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- It's mentione in more then 2 books, I know it's mentioned in "Uncle Willie's Highly Opinionated Guide To The Residents" which unfortunately is out of print and is selling for around 70$ a copy. I'm sure it's mentioned in other books also. So at this point we have at least 3 published sources. Ridernyc (talk) 23:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
- Redirect agree with redirect. Also think we need to take a look into this section of WP:Music, if an unreleased album is by a notable act and can pass WP:V I see no reason why it can not have it's own article. At this time however I have no time to work on this article and agree a redirect is fine. Ridernyc (talk) 23:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
- Comment by the way I would also like to point out that the nominator is using the wrong term, This is not an unreleased album as defined by WP:MUSIC, it's actually more like a demo. If he is going to cite WP:Music in dozens of prods and AFD's he could at least take the time to cite the correct sections. 00:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ridernyc (talk • contribs)
- Comment No, it's not "more like a demo." Actually, it's a "demo album (which) has never been released in any form". No, it's "a suite ... but not a complete album." Or maybe it's an "alleged recording". Aw heck, it's what the category says it is: [[Category:Unreleased albums]]. So, if it's a demo, it is "in general not notable". If it's a suite, it's not "appropriate (unless) there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article" (there isn't). If it's an "alleged recording" it...um...er...whatever. I believe my choice actually sets the bar lower than most. If it fails this one, it fails them all. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 14:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- You still could take the time to at least understand what you are nominating and cite the correct section of policy. Plus everything above is verifiable in published sources. Ridernyc (talk) 23:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- I understand that what I nominated is an article that never clearly decides what its topic is. It is and was clear that the article doesn't know what this is/was/might be/might have been. Of four references to what it is, two of them say "unreleased album". I went with the concensous and didn't detail this moot point. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- "The Ballad of Stuffed Trigger is the title of a recording by the then-unnamed avant garde group, The Residents." I don't know what's unclear about that. It's a recording; it's under no obligation to declare itself an album, single, or EP. BTW, what's "concensous"? —Torc. (Talk.) 06:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- I understand that what I nominated is an article that never clearly decides what its topic is. It is and was clear that the article doesn't know what this is/was/might be/might have been. Of four references to what it is, two of them say "unreleased album". I went with the concensous and didn't detail this moot point. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- You still could take the time to at least understand what you are nominating and cite the correct section of policy. Plus everything above is verifiable in published sources. Ridernyc (talk) 23:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- Comment No, it's not "more like a demo." Actually, it's a "demo album (which) has never been released in any form". No, it's "a suite ... but not a complete album." Or maybe it's an "alleged recording". Aw heck, it's what the category says it is: [[Category:Unreleased albums]]. So, if it's a demo, it is "in general not notable". If it's a suite, it's not "appropriate (unless) there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article" (there isn't). If it's an "alleged recording" it...um...er...whatever. I believe my choice actually sets the bar lower than most. If it fails this one, it fails them all. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 14:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- Merge, not simply redirect. There is nothing wrong with the content of the article. If the content will not fit or makes The Residents article stylistically awkward, default to keep. —Torc. (Talk.) 20:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- At this time a merger is fine, but I feel eventually the article will need more sub article due to size and style guidelines. Ridernyc (talk) 05:43, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- Merge to main artist page. Most of the sources fail WP:RS aside from the one at GEPR which says no more than the name of the album, or whatever you want to call this recording. Cloudz679 (talk) 09:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- Merge to main artist page. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
