Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The 27 Various

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Users who suggested to not delete the articles are (reletively) new users. Also, 4 of the 5 other album articles have been deleted. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 02:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The 27 Various and associated album articles

The 27 Various (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Was nominated for deletion, for it was previously deleted but remade by the same user, as mentioned here [1] by a different user. esanchez, Camp Lazlo fan! 08:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Note that it was speedy deleted before. I removed the speedy notice because I didn't feel it was speedyiable. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 08:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Also see Up (The 27 Various) which is currently reading like an advert. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 08:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

This band was a significant particpant in the Minneapolis music scene in the time period and should be listed. I will add information to the listing which will elaborate upon the previous information posted. This band is not currently active and I will remove the text referring to the reissuing of its albums, as I agree it reads as a commercial posting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmy0987 (talk • contribs) 09:24, 4 January 2007

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 15:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete and delete all five of their albums The article asserts little, if any, notability, and lists no reliable sources. "The 27 Various" only gets 186 total and 92 unique Google hits; many are unrelated to the band, and none are articles from well-known sources (or articles at all- every page is a trivial mention). None of the album articles contain any additional information aside from track listings and the knowledge that all of the albums are out of print- but you can buy some of them on burned CDs! -- Kicking222 16:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete unless articles on local bands who end up nowhere are somehow notable. Last I checked, they weren't. Second Talon 16:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• ""Do Not Delete"" It is my understanding that Wikipedia is a centralized location for information rather than some sort of popularity contest. There naturally will be a relatively small number of web references to a band whose lifespan predated the widespread availability of the Internet and whose material has been unavailable for some time. Independent music in the time period was covered by independent print media (fanzines, etc.) that has largely not been archived on the Internet. To base the significance of a band solely on its contemporary web presence is a form of information Darwinism that will skew future discourse toward only the most commercially successful artists.

Contrary to assertions in previous posts, there are multiple non-trivial articles, reviews and other references about the band readily found on the Internet (Googling "27+various+ackerson" will yield more focused hits, since "27" and "various" alone are extremely common words):

http://www.trouserpress.com/entry.php?a=27_various http://www.littlehits.com/2005/04/song-of-day-april-10-2005.html http://www.scaruffi.com/vol5/polara.html http://www.hyped2death.com/allTeenline%20R2Z.htm

I believe this is a legitimate topic for inclusion in Wikipedia and I hope this post will help support this assertion. jmy0987

• Delete; I speedied it initially, because it was only comprised of the list of five or six albums with no other explanation or exposition. In this case, I would still consider it for deletion as it does not meet the standards set by WP:MUSIC --Mhking 22:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• ""Do Not Delete""It is unfortunate that the lack of information online would cause deletion of an entry on a band who released 5 records on notable labels. Twin/Tone, for one, released records by Soul Asylum, The Replacements, Robyn Hitchcock and many others that are far above the mentioned "local" label. Additionally, band founder Ed Ackerson has gone on to release records on Interscope (last I checked not a local label) and is a notable producer who has worked on records by The Jayhawks among many others. The Trouser Press entry mentioned above should alone validate this entry. --Jackpine1000

• ""Do Not Delete"" (Disclaimer: I ran sound for this group and, as mentioned in the article, played bass for them briefly.) The *tone* of the article reads more like a promotional bio/history than a Wiki article; it could be edited to remove sentences such as "The band's Midwest audience had solidified, and the years of touring seemed to be finally paying off." This group meets item #s 4 and 5 in the "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" in WP:MUSIC and so I contend that the band article should stand. --Omnidrew 07:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, and above posts reek of sockpuppetry. ~ Flameviper 22:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. Can you please show which album is produced by a notable record label? John Vandenberg 07:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.