Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ThePete

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ThePete

Appears to be one staff member of a small, local radio program from a small market, who is only known by a pseudonym. Doesn't assert notability, and doesn't come up anywhere of consequence unfortunately on searches. Recommend deletion. · XP · 14:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, hardly any verifiable information on this obscure staffer. No content to merge to Race to the Right (which isn't a great article in itself).--Nilfanion (talk) 00:57, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. thadius856^talk 18:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BIO. --Metropolitan90 01:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I talked with the webmaster of the radio station that broadcasts the show...his (and other members of the show) profiles were supposed to be on the station's website. The pages were left in a "pending" status and never published. This should be getting corrected in the next few days. This would address the verfiability.

My question is, should this be a stub instead?tony garcia 14:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

It's still a primary source, and that would not be sufficient. There are no outside 3rd party WP:RS sources talking about them, to establish notability. · XP · 14:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete staffer of radio program. Doesn't meet WP:BIO by a longshot.--Isotope23 20:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

One of the arguments that is attempting to be made is related to St. Cloud's status as a "small market" and KNSI's status as a "small local radio program." St. Cloud is hardly "small market." St. Cloud is the 8th largest city in the state with a population of 64,308 (as of 2000), and KNSI's broadcasting is not limited to the city limits, as well as online. Could you please give us your qualifiers for "small market" and "small radio station" so we may reference these qualifiers with other Wiki articles? As a member of the staff, who has an influence on what is put on the air of Race to the Right, I would also like qualifiers that you are using for "obscure staffer." From what I understand (according to Wiki's own definition, "there has been controversy over Wikipedia's reliability and accuracy with the site receiving criticism for its (among other things) preference for consensus or popularity over credentials." Members of Race to the Right staff are not going to win an argument about popularity. But the staff for this radio show can hold their own when it comes to credentials. Articles from the Always Right Usually Correct blog have been featured throughout the blogging community as well as sites that track the notability and popularity of articles ( http://www.buzztracker.com/ for example). Would it not be also good to know of decendants of notable historical figures as well? (Jean-Baptiste Faribault for example) If needed, I can provide birth records. Pete Arnold 22:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment The issue here is that it appears the subject of this article does not meet the guidelines for biographical articles (please see WP:BIO for the criteria). To answer your other question, that applies to the decendants of historical figures as well; besides, Wikipedia is not a genealogical project.--Isotope23 13:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

According to the Wiki guide on Notability, personality notability can be determined by: A large fan base or Name recognition (ammong other things) What would you consider a "large fan base"? Also by what do you define "Name Recoginition"?

[1] has had over 76720 visators since 3/17/06, with an average of about 360 a day. The name recoginition leads out of this as well.Pete Arnold 17:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment those criteria are intentionally ambiguous to allow editors to make a judgement call; there is no hard number. Still, the number of hits a website gets is an argument for the website being notable, not "a researcher and contributor" for the radio show tied to the webstite (and personally I don't think it really demonstrates notability for the website... my blog gets roughly the same number of hits). Again, the relevant notability guidelines for a person are at WP:BIO and that is what you should be basing your argument on. I don't think being a researcher for a show, where the host has a blog that gets a certain number of hits meets any of the WP:BIO criteria.--Isotope23 20:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep The Ambiguous nature of Wiki's rules not only allows editors to make judgement calls, but allows preferencial treatment of some articles, and exclusion of others based on editorial opinion. If rules are going to be cited as criteria to be meet inorder to be allouable in Wiki, then Ambiguous or not, of something meets those criteria, it would be expected to be kept. Race to the Right meets the notability guidelines by having 1. A large fan base and 2. name recoginition. The entires on the contributiers to Race to the Right (Tony Garcia and Pete Arnold) show what makes Race to the Right what it is. Pete Arnold 20:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment as I stated at the Race to the Right AfD, even if the show is proven to be notable, that does not confer notability to Pete Arnold. Pete Arnold needs to meet the WP:BIO guidelines and it has not been demonstrated that he does, as of yet.--Isotope23 00:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.