Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tess Rose

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Bongwarrior (talk) 01:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tess Rose

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I can find very little out about this author, she doesn't seem to meet notability guidelines. Article is also probably a vanity piece. Pollytyred (talk) 00:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello Polly, have you been ever ever in the operahouse or are you reading the magazine Opera, or have you you idea what it is opera buffo ? If you should , you couldnt talk about vanity piece. But of course in the science fictions worlds doesnt exist something like Steinway or Bernsdorf ? Tell me , if you know what is that. You can choose - Bernsdorf is a Vienna cake, a famous dentist of 18th century or the best concert music instruments of the value as flat ... ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dornochclub (talk • contribs) 00:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jujube, what is wrong with your health ? it is on your userpage... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dornochclub (talk • contribs) 00:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


hi polly and easty, the answer is fully rebuilt grand pianos cost between $26,000. and $65,000., depending upon size and finish, but we also often have a few excellent pianos that are not fully rebuilt and which therefore cost even less. Generally, we have a few such pianos for sale for around $20,000. Traditionally, Steinway prices increase at year's end. Lately, the increases have been about 5% per year. So can you answer and tell us the 3 most famous opera buffos , if try to pretend you are the master of knowledges.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dornochclub (talk • contribs) 00:48, 2 February 2008


Hi Eastman, thanks for input. It is necessary to create some online catalogue on opera writers and libretto, it really doesnt exist yet on the global level. As we checked your library catalague has any information about any operas, opera writers or the famous libretto. What a shame. We must start to make one. Are you ready to help with this idea ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dornochclub (talk • contribs) 00:54, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


Hi Dears on the duty now, it is really pity and feel sorry for you. You have no idea about classic librettos and opera and we have checked your profiles it seems your keen on many many interesting thing but realy you cant have a idea and respect and to opera. But it is still most significant artistic work and you should let off your wiki mobbing against the author. If you want and discussions you will get them -we will go to complaint and we will win and we have press media coverage . So you try make her big mobbing against truly stories but you thing only your scientific stories should be full in wikipedia. at first wikipedia is and should stay a serious encyclopedia to inform user from all areas and special also from classic opera world and only full of your virtual creatures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dornochclub (talk • contribs) 02:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete as nn. fails WP:BIO no WP:RS so fails WP:V. Sting au Buzz Me... 03:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per Sting au above—possible A7 speedy, as the somewhat incoherent claim of significance in the article is uncredible. I'm still trying to figure out what Steinways have to do with this. Deor (talk) 03:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello dior deor, you make us laugh if dont know what has to do a connection opera buffa - steinway - opera writer together. But honest to say i would recommend not the author tess rose to delete but your deor article, it is not historical proved it was in the manuscript. So what put for speedy your article ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.207.224.196 (talk) 10:15, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

For your help deor, to give right direction ... you cant find everything at internet, you must go to the press archive, read last few years opera related articles (but not only about pavarotti) but try important event like salzburg festival, vienna opera ball, because the opera world it is not at your horizont and you really have no idea about, you never heard about steinway etc. but to confirm that sure 1oo times have somebody heard about opera buffo by tess rose, as above your not historical proved Deor story, which you spent a page about at wikipedia. Truly shame how much you are mobbing such quality such admiration that still somebody has the background, was a concert pianist as junior pianist travelling round the world, giving concerts , is a member of storybooks writer, has won a Poetry Prize in Florida (10 years ago) etc... You are living at your funny virtual world without any choice to come the beautiful reality world full of operahouses, opera buffos, Salzburg festivals, MOzart, Rossini and shame that you never hear the story and libretto about "Master of Whisky" in the myths called "the James of the Hill". But I am also sure you have never seen or touched a truly reality steinway - because you either have no clue what is... sorry for your horizont... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.207.224.196 (talk) 10:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

  • strong delete I'm not sure why this was not speedily deleted. Non notable in the extreme. The person is entirely unknown as per Google search. The 'opera' mentioned is likewise completely unknown as per search of UK newspaper archives. I am a member of the Opera Project and am also familiar with all the current press coverage of the subject which is available in hard copy only. The article's style is completely incoherent and devoid of references or even suggestions of references to verify this person's existence, let alone notability. This strongly suggests either a hoax or a vanity piece.Voceditenore (talk) 17:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
    • addendum: This article had already been speedily deleted on February 1, 2008). See: [1] and recreated by the same editor the following day. Voceditenore (talk) 17:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

HI Voceditenore, for your information. yes it was again recreated by the same editor. by us - by the all rothesians and their great community spirit, and if you delete it ,we will put it again and again. Because we have the right to promote the scottish opera of 21th century. We have seen your opera project - membership - but is only based on the classic italian opera roots. We are either crazy about italian opera or boring Wagner style, this opera and libretto we talking about it is the most significant artistic work of the Beginning 21stcentury - it is a style of Mozart Charming, of Rossini Intriques and of pure scotch of Robert Burns and magic of highlands faires. It is and it will be the most significant new development in history of the scottish opera of 21st century, The classic italian opera is boring and honest to stay since a few decades in the cave . Because the time is over that new generations will be get in exciting to listen stories by Verdi and see a typical italian style. The Scottish wisdom of all magic creatures mixed with mozart charming virtuosity is that what will rule the 21st century. Not the boring Wagner "Bayreuth festival" but tne "Dornoch Opera festival" - timespan of 700 years of know- how combining with a sexy scottish bagpipies and magic sounds of scottish harps is going to lead in a scottish opera buffa. Some mix of Mozart, Rossini ,Robert Burns and magic gaelic harps songs. You are all welcome to follow all the stories and development, and all who are trying to stop this development are cordially invited to join us... If you send us your email we will send a honour ticket to the performance as a thanks for discussion involment. see you all.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dornochclub (talk • contribs) 18:41, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Since repeated recreation has been threatened, add a big pinch of salt to my delete recommendation above. Deor (talk) 19:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

You know what deor, I thing you should deserve all salt of sea, because this what you said and wrote now, is realy a prove a of pure poor spirit full of mobbing and hate. Such mood doesnt have a place in such great place full of a good spirits and hopes as the wikipedia is and always it is be. It sounds more like inquisitions of medieval time. But dont forget that the victory was on the side of the elisabath the I - for ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dornochclub (talk • contribs) 19:17, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete - Dornochclub, to be exactly honest... No matter how useful this article would be in Wikipedia, it doesn't meet the criterias of WP:N. Almost every article is designed to follow the notability guideline, and I'm afraid this article has no significant marks of notability because of it's lack of sources. If a certain person is notable in some other way which is not mentioned in WP:N, then great! However, such claims are usually first proposed to the community, before the ways are accepted into a guideline.
Based on the community decisions listed above, it is well shown that this article may not be suitable to Wikipedia at this time. It is lovely that someone has wrote librettos, but even still, only a very little amount of works are usually notable enough to be mentioned in Wikipedia. If it would be applicable for people to create an article about their creations even without any signs of notability, I would have sent in over 100 of those already.
Nobody is meant to be rude for you - instead, they are trying to make you understand that not every type of an article is not fit to Wikipedia. When I started editing, even I thought that many people were angry to me. Then I realised that it is only the spirit of Wikipedia - questionable conversations may sometimes happen, but most of the times, none of the editors mean anything harmful to other ones. ~Iceshark7 (talk) 20:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Further research I noticed that there were significant 'style shifts' in the article between quite unidiomatic English and fairly polished prose, suggesting verbatim copy and paste. I did a search on some of the segments themselves rather than "Tess Rose" who remains unknown in this context. (Similar searches on "Tessa Rose", "Teresa Rose" and "Theresa Rose" in this context produce the same zero results.) Several segments in the article come from this unfinished web site: http://www.whiskymystery.org.uk, for a magazine which seems to be devoted to promoting Scottish whisky and culture. See: http://www.whiskymystery.org.uk/magazineen.html. The source for the description of the 'opera' appears in this incomplete section of the site: http://www.whiskymystery.org.uk/synopsis1.html. However, there is no mention whatsoever of its author, and it seems to be in the planning phase. User talk:Dornochclub's comment above "Because we have the right to promote the scottish opera of 21th century." says it all really, including a strong suggestion of conflict of interest. Dornochclub, Wikipedia is not an advertising space or a place to promote future projects. This is Wikipedia policy, not simply the personal opinion of the editors here. There are plenty of free web sources available for this including blogs and sites like MySpace. When and if this opera is ever performed and when and if it receives sufficient notability and press coverage, then is the time to propose an article about it - not now. Voceditenore (talk) 07:25, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


  • Notice to closing administrator This article is not the only place on Wikipedia where this Whisky Mystery 'project' is being spammed. See: this article deletion notice for Whisky Mystery. And this edit history for the Rothes article. Note these other edits by single-purpose editor 88.207.223.9 to the Rothes article and to the Comic opera article. (There are several more in those articles from anonymous IP addresses all of which trace back to the same IP in Luxembourg. See also these edits and uncivil threats of legal action by single purpose account Whiskeyrose on another editor's talk page and in this edit summary Voceditenore (talk) 08:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Update I found one reference to a "Tessie Rose". She is listed here as the editor of the German language magazine Whisky Mystery, which is hardly surprising, given the above. Nor is it surprising that the magazine appears to be based in Luxembourg. (See: http://www.whiskymystery.org.uk/whiskyclub.html), given that IPs of the anonymous editors who have been repeatedly spamming the Rothes and Comic opera articles (and commenting on this AfD page) are also based there. Voceditenore (talk) 13:28, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


Update: this message for wiki administrators like vocetitenore etc. We have received offical review on wikipidia administrators from official experts in IT, Corporate law and media. So listen that we have the explanation for your harrasemment and mobbing. It is official said that" In international evalution Wikipedia lost reputation for credibility and is no longer as an academic source for most university."..Wikipedia has no professional edtor on payroll.." It is claim anyone can edit, but the true is that most of new edit will be delete by anonymous unprofessional editors like the administrators. You can also find a proofs by previous administrators and also academic resource who confirms that harrasement on new edit what you call to make a edit on a new sources. All texts or informations which are not coming from unproffesionals editor not on payrol of wikipedia will be deleted.Only a new edit by administrators themselves will in the most cases used and only for their own agenda. We very dissapointed to get such review on your work administrators and because you are not official a resources on universities - We dont care what you delete and why. In this point we must say it would more shame for us and happines that you accept any new edit from us. Pity is that also you had to delete the text about Rothes burn from village Rothes and story about village opera buffo. Because the village rothes is famous for this rothes burn like Vienna with Vienna operahouse. But you cannt know it you are either resources for university or credible information place more.. AH I forget to tell - either we know if you as administrators have passed primary school - everybody nearly without any proffesional background can play the editor. But to be editor need much more in the truly life as only internet access. So we dont care about you - it is shame and sadness that we got such profile on wiki-administrators. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dornochclub (talk • contribs) 19:29, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

  • For the record: I am not an administrator. I merely left a note here for the administrator who will close this discussion. Nor have I edited any of the articles or user pages which Dornochclub/Whiskyrose/88.207.223.9 have been disrupting and vandalizing, apart from this AfD.Voceditenore (talk) 21:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

we dont care more about you your or the wikipedia editors and administrators. We care about the credibility and image of resources. As we got offical review on wikipedia that wikipedia is not more accepted as academic resource on many universities and has image of no credibility and is know for harrassement or as we say mobbing on new edit - the great proof is that on the page rothes are a few words, wikipedia ask for expanding, but wiki administrators delete every word and informations which is written in many publications about the village and special about the famous rothes burn. So sorry for such behavours. We really dont care about your opinion and researches. What is important for us if wikipedia has credibility by academic resources and university and official said "no". So we said it for a good image and credibility for our opera buffo - not to be in wiki. We will exactly delete in a hour the text . Because we would shame if wiki administrators would accept some new edit. So you dont mean anything to us and honest to say we will also not more use wikipedia as resource due to know the official academic opinion on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dornochclub (talk • contribs) 22:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


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