Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TerrorStorm

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, sock or no sock. - Mailer Diablo 22:34, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TerrorStorm

There is no assertion of notability. This video has never been commercially released. It was shown once at a conspiracy-theory convention sponsored by the producer, Alex Jones. There are no 3rd party sources that mention the video, so it is unverifiable. There appears to be an excess of Jones-related material in the encyclopedia, presumably added by fans. Delete. -Will Beback 17:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete/Merge any info with Alex Jones. The part labeled "distribution" on the infobox states that it is distributed by infowars.com and Google video.--Jersey Devil 02:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I should also say that I placed this afd template here after seeing that the nominator had misplaced it in the July 20 afd log. [1] In case anyone is wondering why the nom's sig is at August 3rd.--Jersey Devil 02:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks for catching and fixing that. -Will Beback 03:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Self-distribution on the web doesn't automatically disqualify it, but unless there are non-trivial published reviews or references of to the film (whose source is independent of the film's producers), it just isn't notable enough for inclusion in an encyclopedia. --MichaelZimmer (talk) 02:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep per Dlohcierekim's search results (which I should've done in the first place). --MichaelZimmer (talk) 10:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Much as I wanted to vote delete, 30,000 G-hits including independet review and distribution. You can imagine who's promoting this. 7,000 ghits for +"Terror Storm" +jones +review. :) Dlohcierekim 04:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't see any independent review listed. If there is one then that would help establish notability. Raw Ghits may be more indicative of publicity efforts than notability. -Will Beback 20:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep or possibly merge to Alex Jones. --HResearcher 07:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• keep tremendously well known and popular vid, distributed over the net in huge numbers. --Tess Tickle 02:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

KEEP -Just because one may not personally agree with a philosophy or that fact that a vid is self published/distributed (as are many docs) is no reason to delete this entry. Presumably, MOST entries on this site are written by fans- whether music, art, literature or film. Further, there IS assertion of notability. The "conspiracy=theory convention" mentioned above was called The American Scholars Symposium: 9/11 + The Neo-Con Agenda and was covered by Reuters, The Washington Post, ABC & NBC Affiliates, CSPAN, and even more independent media outlets from all across the globe. For example: http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-06-25T204155Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-256711-1.xml&archived=False http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/25/AR2006062501085.html

Keep - I really believe this information needs to get out to the public. Considering the content I'd say this is very important. He cites sources. If you want to say something is wrong with the video you should do so on the main page for this documentary. Osirisx11 01:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment Regardless of one's opinion on the importance of the information, WP is not a soapbox. The article should be about a notable phenomenon, not getting the word out. Regardless of my personal feelings on the matter, it probably meets minimal standards for inclusion as an article in an encyclopedia. :) Dlohcierekim 04:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

KEEP - Like the wiki community cares about the truth. I thought the wiki community was suppose to be totally unbiased... gah fuck it... JanusPaul

I think that's O'Reilly's claim to fame, dubious as it may be. Cheers. :) Dlohcierekim 04:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep im not even going to bother giving a arguemnt, since nobody cares anyhow... --Striver 16:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - not everyone has to think like George Bush does. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and this article is about a movie. How about we delete all articles on all movies or documentaries or TV shows, just because we didn't like those?
• Keep - No citations? Is anyone really trying to claim this documentary doesn't exist? You can't just delete it because you disagree. -- Autocratus, 12 August 2006
• Keep - The Dallas premiere takes place this month. This is a legitimate film release.

--81.227.231.218 15:22, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Keep - Alex Jones researches and verifies everything he puts in his documentaries. Research it yourself and you will find that this is true, then research the term COINTELPRO and verify for yourself that there is a huge effort, I'm talking millions of dollars here, to hide the fact that 9/11 was an inside job. Allow freedom of speech and keep or suppress factual information? The choice should be obvious.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.