Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terra Online

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete all as per WP:WEB and WP:BIO.  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  10:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Terra Online

Seems to fail under WP:WEB and WP:V. A google search of Terra Online brings up no relevant hits on the first page. Wafulz 00:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Also nominating:

• Derek Boe the creator of the site.
• Amir Moazzami, who fails under WP:BIO and WP:V
• Tony Schaaf, co-creator, per above

This Article should NOT be deleted. As it is a legit website. An Anime community. It should be showing up on google.com within days. Please be patient before deleting this article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Exoma (talk • contribs)

• Strong Delete all. Website appears to be brand new, no presence on google or alexa. Home page still under construction. Get notable first, then get a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is not for promoting new ventures. Fan-1967 00:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• • The actual website is NOT http://anisama.info . The website is http://terra.anisama.info . Just because anisama.info is unfinished, doesn't mean that Terra Online is not finished. I honestly suggest you do not delete this article, as Terra Online is quite popular already.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Exoma (talk • contribs)

• No, it isn't. (On talk pages and in discussions, please sign your posts by typing four tilde's (~~~~) at the end of your entry. It will translate to your user name with the date and time. -- Fan-1967 00:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. I'm not arguing about whether your site is legit or not- I'm saying that it must pass the guidelines set in Wikipedia. Particularly WP:WEB for the site, and WP:BIO for the people. Both also must pass WP:V- all articles need to be verified by reliable sources, which are independent third party publications. All subjects must also be considered notable to merit articles, but notability is essentially an extension of verifiability. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~)--Wafulz 00:30, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• Sir, Terra Online has been a popular website for a while. It had just shut down about 2 years ago, and it is merging back up. The reason it is not on google is because the URL has changed. This is just a temporary URL for now. Give it some time. (Exoma 00:36, 26 August 2006 (UTC))

• Comment In this case, it still isn't allowed because Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Basically, you can't write articles about topics that "will" be notable. You gain notability, then you gain independent third party coverage, then you get an article. --Wafulz 00:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Terra Online is already quite notable though. But let me get this straight...once this website is on a website, for example, like google, then it would be able to obtain an article of its own? Even if numurous users already contribute to the article without being on google? (I don't mean to change the subject, but I saw you're a leafs fan. Good job, sir. Leafs will be definatly making it to the stanley cup this year, now that Patt Quinn is gone.)(Exoma 00:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC))

• No, we judge websites by how many thousands of links there are from other sites, which show up on google. And the numerous users on your site need to be in thousands, not a few hundred. Fan-1967 00:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• More accurately, we use size as a guideline more than anything- large websites are more likely to get non-trivial third-party coverage, win notable awards, or achieve some other form of fame or notoriety. Even large websites have been deleted before for these reasons. It's outlined in WP:WEB --Wafulz 00:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Delete. The creator of this article is a known pedophile and uses Wikipedia as a venue to attract potential victims. The story of his "legit popular anime forum" can be found at http://www.perverted-justice.com. Moral issues aside, his website is non-notable and does not meet the criteria for inclusion at Wikipedia. He has also abused Wikipedia by deleting opposing discussion. I suspect he may be Iranian as well. Benjaminspychaj 04:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Recently-created account; only edit outside of these articles was creating Aliks Sauvè, which looks bogus - amongst other things, the books cited don't seem to exist. (I'm puttting it up for deletion now.) I also can't find any references to this site (or any of the individuals involved with it) on perverted-justice.com. -- makomk 15:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete all per WP:WEB and WP:WING. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all per nom and Fan-1967 - makomk 15:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete Terra Online was shut down two years previously because of the claims of its shady practices with illegal pornography distribution. There used to be many articles posted about it all over the Internet but time has removed them. Tony Schaaf is also an edited name of a real sex offender from Tacoma, Washington. I am searching WASPC for his real identity. KyleWeiss 21:03, 26 August 2006 (UTC)User's sole contribution
  • Comment Enough with the personal attacks against the site's creators- time doesn't erase criminal deeds or controversies from two years ago. This is not relevant in the slightest to the discussion and I would prefer if you (and any others lobbing these accusations) would just not contribute if this is all you're willing to put forward. --Wafulz 05:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Idiots: I am Derek Boe a.k.a Punky. I don't know where ANY of you are getting your information about our website.

Our website was shut down two years ago because our project team faded away from the site. We never had anything to do with illegal pornography, or child molestation charges.

We weren't "Shut down" we simple fizzled out. No one higher up pulled the plug. You sir, are an idiot in using false information to attempt to shut down our wikipedia page.—Preceding unsigned comment added by PunkyPenguin (talk • contribs)

Please be civil in this discussion. There are only two users (arguably one under two accounts) making these accusations. The reasons that we are discussing the deletion of the page are stated above in my nomination, and also from others who have voiced their opinion in favour of deletion. The whole porn/sex offender thing is irrelevant and most likely trolling. --Wafulz 22:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Hahahahahah, oh man. The users Kyleweiss and bennyspychaj are users that are repeaditly trying to ruin my reputation. Please ignore them. I am no pedophile. As I am only 17 years old, and do not even look at ordinary pornography. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Exoma (talk • contribs)

I figured as much. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~)- it makes it easier to identify your comments. --Wafulz 23:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete all, per nom. Piet 07:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all, per nom. Until some reputable magazine can testify to the site's cult following, it will remain not notable per WP:WEB. Even if the website achieves that recognition, the listing criteria for its founders would depend on their respective achievements. Ohconfucius 09:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.