Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teh (2nd nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus - defaulting to keep ck lostsword•T•C 23:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Teh

Teh (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

An encyclopedia page for a typo? You got to be kidding. Piperdown 01:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and it's a frivoulous entry for an article that for some reason wasn't deleted in 2004. Piperdown 01:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Keep it, Teh has multiple meanings and is definitely important in slang today.
The only meaning it has in english is a mistake on your keyboard. Piperdown 02:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Kepe Typeos aer hilariuos--Perceive 02:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Dleete per nmo Mandsford 02:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and this just gives unfocused and unreferenced definitions for various uses of "teh." This definitely does not meet any speedy keep criteria as the original nomination is several years old... GassyGuy 03:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, for lack of sources and citations. Once it's provided with enough citations, I may change my vote. AW 03:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete pathetic nonsense. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Bigdaddy1981 03:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep One of the most notable slang terms in leetspeak and online communities in general. Needs some improvement, though. pwn isn´t much different, it just has an better article. ~ Felcis 03:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment "Teh" has received some attention in scholarly works -- see [1], [2] -- and a quick Factiva search will yield a few relevant newspaper results explaining the term. At the very least, some of this info should be merged into one of our articles on Internet culture. Zagalejo 03:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I see nothing wrong with this page at all. If you feel it's not encyclopedic enough you're more than welcome to expand it. Mikya 18:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep This is well beyond a dic dec. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 04:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Whether it can be depends on what information can be found in the sources mention, but as it stands now, it actually gives a definition and usage guide, so, no, it really isn't. GassyGuy 04:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Zagalejo; a number of worthwhile sources can be brought to bear on this one. Chubbles 04:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I am surprised, but there seems to be enough material. DGG
  • Keep per Zagalejo. Maxamegalon2000 05:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete The information given is I think highly suspect. Most of the content is an explainer of the grammatical role of the definite article with unsubstantiated claims made for this typo of a nature that smacks of internet meme-mongering at its worst. Where is the evidence, inter alia, that: "that is teh lame" translates as "that is the lamest"? Eusebeus 08:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, at worst merge with leet. It could stand better sourcing and some of the heavily cantilevered WP:OR assumptions should be cut back. --Dhartung | Talk 09:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - unbelievably, this looks sourceable. --Haemo 09:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete – this is just somebody's opinion on the usage of "teh". Any solid data could go under Leet or Article (grammar).RandomCritic 11:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Notable and sourced, as shown above. Tarc 13:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to leet. That's the most obvious compromise between the keep and delete votes, and logically it seems like the best option.-h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 14:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete and disambiguate as follows:

Teh is a common misspelling of "The", the definite article in the English language. It is used in Leetspeak. Teh is also a synonym of tea in some languages (see teh botol).

The grammatical usage, which dominates the article, is original research. I could not find the word "teh" in any mainstream dictionary online, let alone an etymology for its slang usage. Shalom Hello 14:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Merge to leet seems to be teh fair choice here. Arkyan • (talk) 17:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep though I'm surprised to see myself typing that. JJL 17:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I see nothing wrong with the page. If you feel it is not encyclopedic enough you're more than welcome to expand on it. Mikya 18:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. As much as I want to claw my own eyes out for saying so, the subject of the article is sourcable and is a notable bit of pop culture. I would relent and say merge as a compromise, but I feel that there is enough information available to warrant its own article. HOWEVER, I would like to see it cited a little bit more definitively than it is right now.Trusilver 20:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete and redirect to List of online-gaming slang. --thedemonhog talk • edits 21:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Most dictionaries would not support this word. Encyclopaedia's are the appropriate place to describe important terms such as Teh that do not appear in most dictionaries. Mathiastck 13:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment "Wikipedia is not a dictionary" has typically been understood in two ways. (1) We don't want short articles. Please develop your topic as fully as is reasonable. This was the original intent of WINAD according to a 2002 version that I looked up a while ago. (2) We don't want mere dictionary definitions. Please forward those to Wiktionary. This is the primary meaning in use today. Mathiastck is now suggesting a third meaning: (3) Wikipedia can accept dictionary entries that are rejected by real dictionaries. I don't accept this interpretation. I think the grammatical development of "teh" is original research, and it has no leg to stand on so long as the word "teh" is not found in mainstream dictionaries. Shalom Hello 17:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep because I like it... I'm having trouble finding sources: you just try googling for "teh". :-) It does have huge numbers of definitions in the Urban Dictionary, which yes, is user-created and thus not a reliable source strictly speaking; but since all the definitions pretty much agree, I think common sense would allow that consensus to be used as a source. I also found a Language Log reference to 'teh' as typo in case anyone wants to cite that claim. --Zeborah 23:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Changed my mind - that should be "keep because it has multiple references as per Zagalejo". I've now rewritten part of it including citations to some of the scholarly articles Zagalejo pointed to. --Zeborah 10:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirest to Leetspeak. Lacks multiple refrences with suibstantial coverge, and most of the artcle is origilan research. Most of the keep arguments have been "I like it" which is not a valid argument. Wikpedia is not a directory of tyops. Edison 23:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, of course. This is a real linguistic phenomenon, and frankly, it's irresponsible to delete it without input from a professional linguist. Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 05:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, notable (although I must say I am horrified to see this AfD is getting more keep votes than Plot of Les Misérables). Everyking 10:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. It may be a misspelling, but it's one that's notable because of how common it is and how it's developed into its own slang term. FreakyFlyBry 03:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 14:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.