Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teen punk

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Having considered the arguments put forward by the participants in this discussion, it is evident that rough consensus lies with the deletion of this article. Primarily, this is because of the absence of establishment of Verifiability over the definition of "Teen punk" itself - despite the provision of external links that claim to do this.

In addition, I concluded "Delete" due to the strong argument put forward by ThuranX (talk · contribs) - "...nothing of note to merge anywhere...". The article has failed to establish any Notability in addition to Verifiability. Anthøny 19:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Teen punk

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I couldn't find evidence in reliable sources that "teen punk" is the commonly used term for this type of music; the evidence I found indicated that Pop punk, on which we have a pretty darned good existing article, is the more appropriate term. Prod removed without comment or improvement by the creator FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Well... no is the same because for me punk-pop is very similar to teen punk... but punk-pop have a influence of lyrics more of the punk-rock for example and are for all public, so teen punk are more poppy and only talk about things from adolescent people, and is very very commercial... so why remove this sub-genre? is different to punk-pop... Blink 182 and Green day for example are punk-pop but so different ... because Blink 182 have more influence of teen punk... and green day have more influence of punk rock music... but both are punk-pop...--Sabrina4226 23:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Reply. It would really help your case if you could provide links to two or three articles about the 'teen punk' genre in significant music magazines or significant online sources. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge Keep: It took me less than a minute to find the term used:
Toddst1 23:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
None of those article actually talk about teen punk. They just use the term with no definition of the genre. One of them actually never mentions the term "Teen Punk" at all. Ridernyc 00:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Response:The point was that the term is used in each of these article that I found in seconds. You were expecting a a dictionary reference? Which of these articles didn't you read carefully to find the term? Toddst1 03:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm expecting something that supports the claims of the article. One article mentions nothing about teen punk. One uses the term "teen punk anthem" meaning an anthem for teenage punks not a genre. The other mentions a band starting the teen punk scene in DC, but explains nothing further then that. Ridernyc 05:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Changing my response to Delete in light of Sabrina's recent comments regarding possible breach of WP:NOR. Also may fit neologism criteria. Wisdom89 21:58, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete another made up splitting hairs "sub-genre". 22:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ridernyc (talk • contribs)
Wouldn't it make more sense then to merge a pseudogenre that overlaps with other well established genres into an article? Wisdom89 22:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
since this article fails the core polices there is nothing to merge. Ridernyc 23:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Comment so far the only mentions I can find on google simply refer to a teenager who is a punk, not a genre. Ridernyc 00:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Comment Okay... so if teen punk is the same with punk-pop... why don't appear Skye Sweetnam, Avril Lavigne, Kelly Osbourne in the topic of punk-pop? Because if that appears, other member of wikipedia go to delete that. And the music of that singers are a different style that is "teen punk".

You can see the difference of Green Day to Jonas Brothers? Green Day are a music punk-pop and a lot of punk rock influence, and Jonas Brother are punk-pop with very pop/pop-rock influence... and are very different So, For that i made this style of music... and are popular with don't has info. --Sabrina4226 20:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete per above arguments that term is possible neologism with little to no actual substance and nothing of note to merge anywhere. Further support RiderNYC's analysis of purportted sources. Finally, Sabrina admits to 'making this style of music', implying it's a WP:OR vio as well. ThuranX 17:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - WP:COI and WP:OR taken out in a single blow by the above comment made by the non-registered user.--WaltCip 13:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.