Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teddy Lupin

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to somewhere. As it happens, someone already merged the article to Lupin and Tonks family#Teddy Lupin. Whether it should stay there, or move on to another article, is an editorial decision. Sandstein 20:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Teddy Lupin

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Harry Potter character who is non notable in the scheme of things... only a few brief mentions in book 7. Mentions in the articles for Remus Lupin and Nymphadora Tonks are fine but this does not need its own article PageantUpdater 08:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep Enough information in the article to keep it separate from the Lupin or Tonks page. Recurring dreams 11:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Whether there is enough information in the article or not, it doesn't mean that the subject is notable. PageantUpdater• talk • contribs • 11:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I guess my reasoning is that the subject is notable as a significant minor character. Significant plot movements revolve around the character: the initial restlessness of Lupin, the estrangement of Lupin and Harry, the subsequent rapprochement after the character's birth. Furthermore there's enough there about the character himself, including the detail from the epilogue, to have a seperate page. Recurring dreams 11:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to both his parents' pages. I realize articles can be created without much information, but he doesn't even -appear- in the book, he's quite literally just mentioned for a few sentences. Also, the entire third paragraph of the entry about his grandmother and Harry are really just information about them, not him at all, since it's not even clear who raised him. Also, about plot movements revolving around the character - it revolves around Remus being edgy about parenthood and Tonks being pregnant, not Teddy Lupin. I vote merge and delete. Kylara21 12:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
The character appears in the epilogue. Recurring dreams 12:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't see why he can't have his own page and then people can link from his name on both of his parents pages Delighted eyes 13:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Erm, no he doesn’t, does he? He’s still ‘off-screen’, as it were, only being mentioned by other characters such as James. --WikidSmaht (talk) 17:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge(holding on opinion for now, pending discussion) to Remus Lupin and/or Nymphadora Tonks (but then where should Teddy Lupin redirect?). I probably would have suggested a merge to Lupin family but since both Lupin and Tonks have pretty large articles, it would only end up duplicating. Or merge and redirect all three? --Ayleuss 13:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, per directly above. The content is notable, and the Tonks and Lupin articles are too big for this to be merged into. Abeg92contribs 14:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge per above Will (talk) 14:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment & Question It should be noted that very few charecters even get mentioned in the epilogue, much less have a distinct appearence. Is this grounds for notability? Steve J 15:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge with his parents' articles. To Steve J, no, because even Harry's children don't have their own articles and they actually have dialogue. T Rex | talk 15:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
    • In that case I agree with the Merge and Protected Redirect crowd. Steve J 15:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to both pages. Teddy is a minor character at best, he never actually appears in the books. His existence is notable in the context of his parents' relationships and Remus's struggle. -- Chabuk [ T • C ] 17:31, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge content into Remus Lupin and Nymphadora Tonks, and redirect Teddy Lupin to Minor Harry Potter characters, since he never actually appears in person in the book. Teddy's importance is solely reflected (that is, his influence on other characters), so doesn't need a page of his own. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 17:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
    • I agree with this one, it makes the most sense. If we're keeping this as its own article simply because of where to redirect, this is the best answer for a character that NEVER appears (Rose and Hugo Weasley don't even have their own pages, and their parents were considerably more notable). Kylara21 02:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Harry’s, Lupin’s, and Tonks’s articles, definitely, and perhaps a passing mention in Sirius’s. While there is some minor plot movement around him, he never appears except in comments by other characters. Instead of redirecting, delete and salt. Or lock it with links to his parents’ articles and his page in the HP Wikia. and redirect to his own section in Minor Harry Potter characters, which can link to his parents. --WikidSmaht (talk) 17:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Minor Harry Potter characters, he is on par with Amy Benson, Dennis Bishop, Stubby Boardman, Herbert Chorley, Fridwulfa and other characters that are talked about, but do not appear directly. Dsmdgold 19:06, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Remus Lupin's only son should get his own page.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.168.161.27 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC).
  • Keep. I fail to see how merging the information to three (!) separate articles will improve anything at all. Exploding Boy 19:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Minor Harry Potter characters. Exploding Boy 15:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge with Remus Lupin and/or Nymphadora Tonks. The character doesn't even appear in the books. He is just mentioned. Neville Longbottom 20:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and protect the redirect. This article is two paragraphs, and thus is really not going to extend Remus Lupin or Nymphadora Tonks that much. The subject of the article is an incredibly minor character in a 7-book series, and barring the unlikely event another book is written, the character will never be notable. To suggest that this character is important enough to the book series, much less the rest of the world, to need an article is ludicrous. Natalie 20:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete There's plenty of information at Remus Lupin and Nymphadora Tonks, this is way too minor a character for a stand-alone article. --Phirazo 21:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is one of those "nn but there's enough information for a mention in several other articles" situations, and User:Ayleuss highlighted the problem - where should the article title redirect? In cases like these, I fully endorse ignoring notability guidelines to keep Wikipedia simple. - Zeibura (Talk) 22:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
    That really doesn’t make sense, why can’t it redrect to an entry on Minor Harry Potter characters? The entries there on Stan Shunpike, Bane, and Eloise Midgen are about the same size. --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
    No reason, but this was not the issue I was addressing. I was addressing the nominator's rationale, which states the article should be deleted, because of the mentions in the other two characters' articles. This is "articles for deletion", not "requested merges", right? I couldn't care less whether this content had its own article or whether it had a section on a list article, though quite frankly I do think the list of minor characters looks rather ugly with a random mix of one liner stub sections and sections which contain a few paragraphs and an infobox, but that's just my opinion. Merging is an editorial decision which does not need to go through AfD, and one which I generally have few opinions on, as long good information is still preserved in one place. - Zeibura (Talk) 21:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge as most of the editors said above.--JForget 23:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Zeibura's excellently stated case. --Hemlock Martinis 23:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Not that excellently stated, please see my response. --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge per previous statements. Reputation 00:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep It could be changed to using remus and tonks's articles, however it would be impossible to redirect to both, so for simplicity and ease of use, it needs its own article Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 01:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Why can’t it redrect to an entry on Minor Harry Potter characters? It’s the right size, and that would satisfy the need to link to parents’ articles, while giving a single redirect target AND preserving the information. --WikidSmaht (talk) 08:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to some appropriate composite article. As I've said elsewhere the profusion of sub-articles about non-notable fictional subjects is damaging to the credibility of the encyclopedia. Espresso Addict 03:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Zeibura.Ravenmasterq 06:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge. There are plenty of articles it could be merged into - Remus or Nymphadora or the list of minor characters or even Harry as he seems to have played a similar role to Teddy as his parents did for Sirius, virtually adopting him. AulaTPN 08:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep for the time being It's going to be madness with potter related topics at the moment. Anything attatched to them is going to generate a lot of traffic and the Teddy Lupin page is going to be recreated again and again. This article is significant enough just because the latest book is a week old. Wait a few months or so, and then this article will no longer be notable and it will be appriopriate to delete it. (Justinboden86 14:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC))
  • It's called a protected redirect. We don't keep junk pages because people are going to recreate them over and over. Natalie 14:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge into something. What article, I don't know, but all he does in the entire book is kiss another one-time-use character in the epilogue. We've denied unique article status for more important characters. If Dudley Dursley doesn't get his own article, Teddy doesn't get one either. Valley2city 16:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Minor Harry Potter characters; or to the parents' pages. Patently non-notable enough to warrant a separate article. LordAmeth 16:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge as per the comment above -Inventm 19:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Remus Lupin and Nymphadora Tonks. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 22:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete because that's what happens with a merge. If this isn't deleted, then why should I ever need to vote for deletion of the most trivial and non-notable articles in my field? HG | Talk 03:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Once you see the logical relationship of my statement to typical WP:OTHERSTUFF arguments, and read closely the 1st paragraph of that section of the essay, you'll grok why my version is a valid argument. HG | Talk 09:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge into Lupin and Tonks family. The article's already been merged for the most part. --musicpvm 20:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Minor Harry Potter charactersLemonflashtalk 00:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Teddy Tonks is an incredibly important character even though he does not 'appear' in the seventh book. There is enough information about him to merit an individual site. Teddy Tonks not only is Harry Potter's Godson, but he is also important in fulfilling the re-newing of the entire wizarding community. Unlike the first time Harry 'defeated' Voldemort (as a baby) which ended up with Harry living 10 years of misery with his Aunt Petunia and Uncle Vernon, Teddy who was also orphaned in a war against Voldemort, did not have to grow up without knowing love. In addition to this through Teddy, Harry is able to experience the relationship between a Godfather and a Godson that he was denied of as a child with his own Godfather Sirius Black. Needless to say, however minute Teddy Tonks' actual appearances in the entire series is, his addition is nonetheless vital to the Harry Potter universe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.116.196.200 (talk • contribs)
  • Suggestion Transwiki to wikibooks:Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter, if this is not encyclopaedic enough to be left here. -- Jokes Free4Me 06:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Lupin and Tonks family. The character is certainly significant to the storyline although he doesn't actually appear. However, a section or subsection within Lupin and Tonks family would cover the character sufficiently. 70.111.219.27 18:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
    • This is my comment. I didn't realize I wasn't logged in. Clamster 18:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge into Lupin and Tonks family. I think that Teddy being included in the Lupin and Tonks family article would be more informative anyway, because there would be no need to navigate through articles; more information on him would be in one place instead of being scattered. Xasz 06:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. This character has no hope of passing WP:N or WP:FICT, and we don't need an entry for every single character that is mentioned in the Harry Potter series. That includes Bar Wench #4. --Farix (Talk) 14:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep.  Chantessy  15:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Please not that this is not a vote. If you don’t explain your reasoning, stating your preference means nothing. --WikidSmaht (talk) 02:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Teddy Lupin only exists in the writings of J. K. Rowling and to take information directly from the writings of J. K. Rowling and use it in Wikipedia in an article about Teddy Lupin is original research. There is not enough reliable source material independent of the writings of J. K. Rowling to develop a verifiable article on Teddy Lupin. Merging unsourced text into another article does not solve the problem because the merge does not make unverifiable material verifiable. -- Jreferee (Talk) 08:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Actually, that is not true. There is reliable information on the character of Teddy, including a recent interview Rowling did with NBC where she dicussed the significance of the character. [1]. I will add the source into the article Teddy Lupin has been merged into. --musicpvm 19:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.