Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tamie Sheffield

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result wasKeep Gnangarra 13:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tamie Sheffield

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PROD removed, non-notable wrestler, fails WP:V, WP:A and WP:BLP. Darrenhusted 00:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

• Keep, meets WP:V, WP:A, and WP:BLP. Sources and notability given in article. -- JHunterJ 00:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
• Note -- first prod was removed in December by a different editor who also felt subject met WP:BIO. [1]
• Delete, just not notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Nikki311 00:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
• Comment she was one of a series of thirty or so PRODs by WP:PW, and her claim to notability is dubious at best, two links and participation in a TV show four years ago do not make for notability. This article should have been AfD-ed in December. Darrenhusted 00:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

  If it were only the wrestling career (as apparently considered by WP:PW), I'd agree. But she's also a small-part actress, model, and a reality TV show winner (hmm, I just noticed that the article doesn't indicate that she won her Fear Factor appearance -- I'll update that part, at least). Two links and two other sources. -- JHunterJ 00:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Notable professional wrestler, actress in numerous widely distrubuted films and Fear Factor winner. Like with other AfDs, the nom is incorrectly taking a bunch of WP polices and placing the word "fails" in front of them. --Oakshade 01:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep-Per above ChrisLamb 01:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
• Comment are we looking at the same article? It has two refs that reference one sentence, and of her two wrestling trainers one is a redlink, and where is the notability? Winning a TV series does not bring notability. Darrenhusted 01:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, notablity established per winning Fear Factor, in addition to her other accomplishments as wrestler and actress. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 02:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, non notable as a wrestler, non notable as an actress, and does winning an episode of Fear Factor really make you notable for Wikipedia? Nenog 03:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete not notable as either wrestler or actress. OysterGuitarst 04:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletions. —John Vandenberg 09:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 09:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete nn. Reywas92^Talk 12:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete nn.Dannycali 00:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Would the "nn" opiners explain why the subject is non-notable? WP:JNN -- JHunterJ
• Comment, the burden of proof lies with you to tell us why she is notable, not the other way around. Darrenhusted 12:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

  You are mistaken (please see WP:JNN), and in any event the article makes its claim for the subject's notability. -- JHunterJ 12:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

  "The mirror of "Just not notable" is the assertion that something is notable, but fails to provide an explanation or source for the claim notability. Notability requires an explanation so that other editors may be able to verify the claim as well as seek sources. An explanation is also helpful in deciding whether or not the subject of an article meets existing policies and guidelines that may cover the subject" and you should read this [2].

• Keep. Passes based not on wrestling career, but on winning Fear Factor, Lingerie Bowl, appearance on Jay Leno, 30K Ghits. --Groggy Dice T | C 22:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep thin article but passes WP:BIO via IMDB.com link in external links. Govvy 00:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. The very definition of non-notable, the IMDB.com link is meaningless anyone can pay for one. Burntsauce 18:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

• Comment You need to pass a certain set criteria to have an imdb account, the imdb isn't meaningless. It is a very good source of information and is a third party source citation per WP:BIO rules. Govvy 21:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

• Anyone can pay for a resume listing on IMDB. The listing linked is not the for-pay version, and is valid for WP:BIO. Why is this the very defintion of non-notable? -- JHunterJ 19:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

• Comment if IMdb were a claim of notability then there would never be a problem deleting Porn Stars. IMdb works from info submitted, and anyone can submit, go to a big film with a large cast and under complete cast and crew you will find a ton of extras none of who would deserve an entry on Wikipedia. Darrenhusted 12:29, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

  Nobody said anyone with an IMDB listing should be in Wikipedia. IMDB, however, can be used to vet a claimed notability, as in this case. -- JHunterJ 12:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

  Well then her IMdb entry doesn't give her year of birth, and in her bio her two biggest claims seem to be not appearing in The Wedding Crashers and being the 96th hottest person according to Maxim four years ago. Darrenhusted 12:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

  None of which are involved in the notability claims in the article that we're talking about. Most notable people have also done non-notable things. -- JHunterJ 12:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

• Keep She's borderline as a pro-wrestler admittedly. However, Wow was nationally syndicated in the US, so she's essentially an actress with a regular part on a 1-2 season long tv show, followed by a dozen low budget movies. Borderline as an actress. She would probably qualify as notable just based on the combination of lingerie bowls, Maxim #100 listing, Fear Factor, hosting "On The Red Carpet", appearing in Playboy, and guesting on the Tonight Show. Sum all of the above and she's definitely notable.Horrorshowj 18:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.