Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Takis Tsoukalas

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep - not the most cast-iron case for keeping, but there is barely a nomination for deletion either, with barely any attempt to dispute that the subject is notable. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 01:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and please can nominators and participants keep an eye on AfD tags, because this one was removed today and not put back. If AfD tags remain absent for significant periods during the AfD, the AfD is invalidated. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 01:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Takis Tsoukalas

Takis Tsoukalas (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Takis Tsoukalas is a controversial person and leader of Olympiakos hardcore fans. He is offensive towards to other Greek teams of fans and likes to humiliate them. This article lacks the quality to be a wikipedia article (totally unimportant content, non-wikified), has controversial content, it is not neutral. Also, it is vandalized many times by IP users, and its quotes are insulting (quotes which are not translated correctly and have sexual connotations or threats) . I can see no reason for this article to be in Wikipedia. KaragouniS 17:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC) KaragouniS 17:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep and clean up. Article asserts notability and the subject appears to meet WP:BIO. The article certainly requires cleanup and NPOV expansion. Some of those oh-so-memorable quotations (for instance "All the big teams of Europe won their leagues. You just got the third, the goal I mean") aren't so memorable out of context, but "it gets vandalized a lot" is no criterion for deletion (request protection), nor are "it contains inaccurate translations" (translate them accurately), "it is POV" (edit it) or "he humiliates people". "He supports team X and I support team Y" isn't a valid criterion either. Tonywalton  | Talk 17:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

My friend, "... You just got the third, the goal I mean" can translated as "you and your team are a piece of sh*t and can win anything". This article is inimportant and irrelevant to a encyclopedia. Tsoukalas is a hooligan and hooligans biographies are not included in encyclopediasKaragouniS 17:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and clean up as per recommendations of User:tonywalton. The article does assert notability and seems consistent with WP:BIO. Just because an article or subject may be offensive to some people or groups of people doesn't render unsuitable for inclusion in WP. Xdenizen 19:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
• Needs some work, but if he really is the host of a prominent TV show like the article says, that would indicate notability. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 20:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

If it were protected I would work on it to make it a nice, fully referenced, respectable and neutral article, albeit about a not so greatly respected person. Yet while unprotected, it is merely a metaphorical dartboard for anonymous foes of TT. Keeping anonymous vandalism repaired would be too much overhead for, as was stated, not such an important article. So my recommendation is, protect or delete. - Samuel Erau 15:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

It should be deleted. And on another note let's keep this discussion amongst greek people here, as only they have any first hand experience with the issue. That goes to tony, who does not seem to be familiar with the issues at hand yet diligently, albeit incorrectly puts forth his opinions. A marginal figure on greek trash tv should be the least item to be considered for wikipedia inclusion, and it's presence here only makes a mockery out of the essense of this encyclopedia, which I suppose is the intented goal, that and an inside joke. Had greek tv, or greek journalism been included in an extensive survey here I could consider this for inclusion. But letting this in as is we are opening the flood gates for who knows what to be included in the encyclopedia, next thing you know this becomes an outlet for anyone's self agrandasing prospects. Notability, and that agains goes out to tommy, is clearly not met here, unless of course we broaden the term as much as to include anything and everything and ultimately nothing at all. My two cents as a very frequent user and contributor here, despite my lack of a user account, for personal issues. 62.38.23.26 04:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

The criteria at WP:BIO are clear, and are not only applicable to persons with whose standpoint a given editor happens to agree or disagree (they are not marked "these criteria do not apply to people on Greek TV" either, as far as I can see). Tonywalton  | Talk 10:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, some people don't seem to understand what Tsoukalas is, but just listen to us who see his (ugly) face every day. THIS GUY IS A HOOLIGAN, who tells children and teenagers to go and hit other team fans. He is considered the most hated person in greek football and in greek tv. EVEN OLYMPIAKOS FANS HATE HIM. IF you don't believe what i say, please ask any greek you know. It's a disgrace for this fantastic encyclopedia to include his name. He does not deserve it, guys. And you'll see that many people agree with me, in Takis Tsoukalas Talk Page ---- KaragouniS 22:09, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

You seem to have made an excellent case for this person's being notable. Tonywalton  | Talk 10:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.