Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taj Gray

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 16:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taj Gray

College basketball players are not inherently notable -WP:BIO refers. I am, however, persuaded that they can be. In this case, though, there is insufficient notability aserted to make the grade. Delete. BlueValour 22:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as not notable. DarthVader 23:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Whether or not male college basketball players are inherently notable, Gray is notable either way. First off, I've heard of him, and I hate college basketball. But let's ignore that, as it's not really a reason for voting keep. This is a player whose team won 20 games and was a high seed in the NCAA tournament, and he led said team in points, rebounds, and blocks (two years in a row, in fact). According to his ESPN profile, he went to a JuCo (junior college) before playing at Oklahoma and was the runner-up for JuCo player of the year. Although he wasn't drafted, ESPN ranked him as the 41st best prospect before the draft [1]. I think all of this asserts sufficient notability. -- Kicking222 23:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep Mr. Gray was actually the Big 12 player of the year in 2005 and is currently playing on the summer league team for the Sacramento Kings. [2] In a similar AfD for Chris Quinn I suggested we let this sit for a month or so and see if he makes an NBA roster. I'm not sure if being POY in a major college sport for a major conference makes someone notable or not by itself. Anyways I was going to add information contained in the link to the article but I wasn't sure if editors were supposed to do such a thing during and AfD. DrunkenSmurf 01:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment You can definitely clean up the article during AfD - in fact, I'd say it's strongly encouraged. --DaveG12345 03:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Thanks for the that DaveG12345, I was not sure. I'll try to dig up some additional info and add it in to the article this weekend. DrunkenSmurf 19:25, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete non-notable; short article. --Bigtop (tk|cb|em|ea) 04:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep per DrunkenSmurf --Awiseman 15:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
• Request Ok, so I updated this article with some relevant information I found. It seems as though the article I refrenced above was incorrect in saying he was the Big 12 player of the year in 2005. Upon further research he was the preseason POY which is quite differant. Anyways, I tried to put together a better article for him, I would ask that folks take a look at it now and see if he warrants keeping. Keep in mind this is really the first article I have ever tried to create so be nice. DrunkenSmurf 19:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - I think you have done a nice job and this is undoubtedly a much better article than what passed for an article before. It would also help if you were able to source closer the key pieces of information that you inserted. Sadly, though, this confirms my view that the guy is not notable. He started his college career with great promise but he does not seem to have achieved anything particularly notable. Had he been a notable player surely he would have been signed by a pro team? That he wasn't is the clincher for me. If he subsequently makes pro then the article can be recreated. BlueValour 20:24, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment My feeling here it that within a month we will know if he has signed an official pro contract with a team. We have no time restrictions here, and I see no big issue with waiting a month to see how it shakes out. Either way I'm cool with the decision, I'd just hate to see us delete the article and then next week the guy signs a contract as just happened to Chris Quinn which is up for AfD as well. DrunkenSmurf 19:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Not drafted, not professional, not notable. Stifle (talk) 19:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.