Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TREAMIS World School

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete after discounting the marked SPAs. --Coredesat 04:29, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TREAMIS World School

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Before everyone gets hung up on the word school, please note that this is a commercial enterprise in India, the article was created and primarily edited by a single purpose account, there are fewer than seventy unique Google hits, and most importantly the artist's rendering that illustrates the article is the only picture I can find. I also cannot find any independent discussion of the school which does not trace back to press releases. If it has opened yet - which is not clear - it is evidently very new indeed. Guy (Help!) 10:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

  • I know that as a non-registered user my views here don't count, but since when did that stop anyone, so... delete. When the article was written, the author was asked to provide records and uncommercial it; he couldn't/wouldn't. Several editors have tried to get the info out of him with no luck; any tags asking for information are removed straightway. None of this fits with what I think your policy on deleting is, so I've doublechecked what the person above said and agree that there are no independent records. I also think the license is wrong on at least one of the pictures, but that's beside the point. Thanks. 86.147.226.186 11:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
    There is no policy or guideline stating that the views of unregistered users don't count. Your views are as important as the views of registered users. utcursch | talk 08:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete non-notable school, page reads like advertising. Also to the Anon IP, if you make a strong case your views DO count. This isn't a vote, but a discussion on the article. It's rare we have anon IPs who make constructive edits to an AfD, so this is a welcome change. Wildthing61476 12:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as unverifiable nn spam, per Guy and Wildthing. Sarah 12:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, as above. --Yamla 15:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per everyone above ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 20:29, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Spam flavored COI. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 21:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The article provides multiple articles about the school, including from The Hindu, India's largest English-language paper. All of the articles provided are about the school, not mere mentions. There is plenty of verifiable information, it just hasn't been integrated into the document as references. Minor rewriting and removal of puffery would make this a more than adequate article. I strongly suggest that anyone evaluating this article click and read all five of the newspaper article links provided. Alansohn 02:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Having adapted User:Alansohn's suggestion, and looked at the school's web-site it is clear that this school cannot be notable, because it will nt open until July. Delete now, with liberty to start new article in 7-10 years' time, if the school has made any notable achievments. -- Simon Cursitor 07:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 11:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 11:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Eusebeus 13:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I agree with Alansohn. Given the comments I first saw here, I was pleasantly surprised that they had the news coverage they did get. The references indicate some news coverage, and even rewritten press releases involve editorial judgment from independent, (seemingly) reliable sources. If they're getting this press now, they'll get more later as well. Being for-profit doesn't seem like a relevant drawback in this case. Noroton 22:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as per Alansohn and Noroton. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RisingTide45 (talk • contribs) — RisingTide45 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Keep I've gone through the website and references. It doesn't say anywhere that the school is a commercial enterprise. I don't think it's spam; the article just needs rewording. I will volunteer to recreate it using the references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.49.208.68 (talk) — 75.49.208.68 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Keep If you compare the March 26th version and latest version, there is a considerable improvement in the article. There are five references in English and considerable number of references in local papers (that are of no use to the English speaking crowd). All the sources are credible. The Hindu is one of the most widely read and respected newspapers of India. Economic Times has international presence. It is difficult to provide link to the TV coverage. Treamis is not a commercial enterprise. About 15 people living outside of India have contributed fund to establish this school. They are trying to bridge the gap in K-12 education between India and the west which is a notable achievement. The article is not edited by single purpose account. I see that nine people have edited the article. I have asked the school authorities provide me photographs of the building. They have assured me to provide them within a week or two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Commonsense999 (talk • contribs) — Commonsense999 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Keep - This article did not go off to the best of starts and still needs a lot of work doing to it, however the verification provided from independent sources suggests notability so I think this article is worth keeping. On the side note, can users please sign their comments here to prevent confusion. Thank you. Camaron1 | Chris 11:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as now sourced. It still needs a good deal of clarification. DGG 03:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as per nom.Anwar 17:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:N by way of WP:CRYSTAL, as the school has yet to open. The sources appear to have relied on either press releases or aggressive marketers, as they read like promotional material and as the place is not even open yet, so I deem them unreliable. --Butseriouslyfolks 04:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, reliable sources quite clearly state the school is being set up, and provide verification of most of the details. So the existance of the school facilities is not WP:CRYSTAL. The press related to the school clearly indicates it is notable; my guess is it is because of its planned curriculum, and because people like the Wipro president is on the advisary board[1]. John Vandenberg 06:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • No, independent sources do not exist for any of the information, because the school does not exist yet so the sole source for all information, repeated or not, is the school's management. Guy (Help!) 13:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
  • What I meant was that the tone of the sources indicate that the existance of buildings/facilities/staff/etc has been fact checked, esp. [2] by The Economic Times. Of course, all those things dont make a functioning school that has done anything notable, but notability is only a guideline. What is important is we can write a verifiable article here where normally that is difficult, and there are only 25 schools in Category:Schools in Karnataka. While not terribly useful here, there are Hindi sources too. The address of the school appears here, but that site isnt reliable. John Vandenberg 03:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.