Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TEAM (company) (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. JERRY ^talk _contribs 17:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] TEAM (company)

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Delete this ad. It's a recreation of a previously deleted article. Notability is not made clear. Quality and reliability of sources cited is questionable -- look at the Quixtar web page addresses. This adverticruft should never have been recreated.[1] Doczilla (talk) 04:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, after rewriting. It was not created as an ad. This version was fairly NPOV. Around that time, TEAM coincidentally left Amway/Quixtar. This was followed by a legal and PR war which has spilled over into this article. It was difficult to clean up the POV because of the edit-warring from both camps and also the fast sequence of events. The current version is unacceptable for Wikipedia, but can be cleaned up.

TEAM happens to be among the most notable of the Amway/Quixtar training organizations (others include Network 21 and Britt World Wide). Much of the above dispute with Quixtar has for example been reported in independent media sources, e.g. [www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1910683/posts here] and here, which should be used instead of the POV sites cited in the article. --Knverma (talk) 10:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- -- pb30<talk> 18:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Those are not adequate sources -- blog.mlive.com? Do you have a conflict of interest here? Does TEAM affect you personally in some way? Your edit history gives that impression. Doczilla (talk) 23:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Given some time, I will try to collect sources available on the net.

Regarding COI: I never had any links to TEAM. Some people connected to me have been (low level) Amway distributors, but again not in Quixtar and not in US, hence not with TEAM. --Knverma (talk) 23:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Note: WikiProject Companies has been informed of this ongoing discussion. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:36, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

• Google News, on searching for quixtar and woodward, returns this mix of press releases and news articles. Many of them require subscription which I don't have. Another old news article is here. I'll leave it there and let others form their opinion regarding notability. --Knverma (talk) 20:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

That's an awfully tiny list, the brevity of which illustrates the lack of notability. Also, TEAM does not equal Quixtar. Anyway, you're right: We need to let others evaluate this. Doczilla (talk) 22:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. I re-created this page back in August. Yes, this page has been crapped on many times since I initially wrote it; I haven't had the time to go through and clean things up, but given that it is up for deletion, now seems to be the right time. I will do what I can over this weekend. I have to admit that it would be disappointing to me to delete an article I spent a lot of time researching and writing. Trevor ^Talk 00:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.