Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TCPDF

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete due to no evidence of notability established by nontrivial coverage in independent reliable sources. — TKD::Talk 08:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TCPDF

TCPDF (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Non-notable software product. The Evil Spartan 18:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


  • Weak Keep Neutral ..if the statement "already included in popular PHP applications" is in fact true (ideally needs references). If so, then that in itself shows it has achieved some level of notability, even if relatively small. Bungle44 21:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm changing to a neutral stance after realising that the software developer is in fact the article creator. Not only this, but it seems that several months back they had a habit of promoting their website through external link spamming (essentially, this could be regarded the same). It doesn't change the fact whether or not this particular piece of software warrants an article, but given the vanity of it and prior history of the creator I don't really think I could support. Because of recognition in high-profile software, I can't support deletion either. Bungle44 19:37, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep TCPDF is bundled with the major PHP applications and used by thousands important websites all around the world.

I think that a simple Google search is enough to see the TCPDF popularity, anyway some references follows:

- phpMyAdmin (3,300,736 downloads in 2006): http://www.phpmyadmin.net/old-stuff/ChangeLogs/ChangeLog-2006
- Joomla http://www.joomla.org/component/option,com_jd-wp/Itemid,105/p,70/
- Drupal (600,000 downloads from May 2006 to April 2007) http://drupal.org/project/pdfview
- Moodle (29,421 registered sites, 12,226,834 users) http://phpdocs.moodle.org/moodlecore/_lib---pdflib.php.html
- Xoops http://www.xoopsgreece.gr/modules/PDdownloads/singlefile.php?cid=5&lid=90
- EuroCV http://www.eurocv.eu

Nicolaasuni 11:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ˉˉanetode╦╩ 03:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete It might be used in a lot of programs, but its lacking coverage from independent sources. There are lots and lots of common classes that are used by lots of apps, but I dont think WP should have an article on them unless they're "notable" Corpx 04:46, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep TCPDF is very important because it is currently used by the most part of PHP world (millions of users per day). Reading comments on the forums, TCPDF seems to be the only practical library that allows to create UTF-8 PDF without installing external PHP extensions. I notice that someone is also working to integrate TCPDF with Mediawiki and wikipedia (http://wiki.splitbrain.org/users:wflamme:pdfex) Markblackstone 09:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I am slightly concerned if the comment above has been posted by the same person who posted the first keep arguement, who also happens to be the article creator. Looking at this person's contributions (account went strait into this article/afd), similar name format & style of vocabulary, it seems likely this account has been setup specially to aid support in this AfD. Sockpuppet of Nicolaasuni? Bungle44 09:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, no independent sources given. If the software is relevant in the context of PHP, then it might be worth a note on the PHP article, or similar. --B. Wolterding 12:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment, The previous affirmation is clearly false, I've personally indicated several independent sources and articles about TCPDF and, in any case, you can make a simple google search to see that TCPDF is cited in 87,300 pages or take a look at sourceforge statistics. Please also note that on february 2007 the same article was posted and edited by several authors on the spanish version of Wikipedia (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCPDF). Another independent source for TCPDF is: [UTF-8 Survival Guide]

Nicolaasuni 08:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Reply: What we need for notability are independent reliable sources with substantial coverage of the subject. Counting of Google hits is not sufficient. Many of those hits are forum posts, blogs, etc. which are not reliable as self-published sources. Also, the links you posted above do not contain substantial coverage of the subject, they just briefly mention it. Last but not least, the existence of articles on other Wikipedias does not justify an article on this Wikipedia; Wikipedia itself is a wiki and not a reliable source. --B. Wolterding 14:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as per nom and B. Wolterding possible WP:COI Harlowraman 19:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.