Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Swanky beer

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep.. CitiCat ♫ 23:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Swanky beer

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User:Fitzpatrickjm and I have been in discussion over the article: User_talk:SilkTork#Swanky_beer. Essentially, there is no available evidence to show that Swanky Beer is anything other than the Cornish name for homebrew. Same as scrumpy is another name for cider. The name has been used by brewers in Australia who are descended from Cornish miners. Currently the name is being used by Copper Coast Wines for a brand of beer. Under notability guidelines the product should be detailed under the company: [1] or put here for discussion for deletion: [2]. My proposal is that the article should be rewritten as a brand and merged with the organisation, and all Wiki-links to Swanky Beer being a beer style should be removed. SilkTork 22:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. GreenJoe 21:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - I know nothing about this as a beer in Cornwall or Australia, but I do recall that the New Knoxville Brewing Company (Knoxville, Tennessee, USA) produced a beer by that name several years ago, supposedly reviving a brand name of a beer brewed locally before Prohibition in the United States. I found an online article about the subject: http://weeklywire.com/ww/11-16-98/knox_gamut.html --orlady 03:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I was interested in that article. However it is difficult to know what they are talking about. The name Swanky exists -[3] - it means something posh or special. There is, unfortunately, no indication that their Swanky beer brand (with cartoon images of bears) had anything to do with the Cornish homebrew. SilkTork 07:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I am the author of both the Swanky article and the Copper Coast Wines article.

I find the suggestion that the two articles be amalgamated in the manner proposed is extraordinary! Swanky is a well known type of beer.

It is not exclusively produced by Copper Coast Wines. It was produced by other brewers prior to Copper Coast Wines commencing production.

There is ample evidence regarding the existence of Swanky as a distinct product. Numerous websites are referred to in my article about the subject.

Also, since I wrote both articles, I tend to believe I have a reasonable understanding regarding their respective order of precedence.

Finally, I should point out that I am a resident of South Australia where I have:

  • visited the Kernewek Lowender, where they serve Swanky;
  • inspected the brewing of Swanky by Copper Coast Wines;
  • held in my hand old bottles of Swanky, including the 1973 Coopers Brewery Swanky.

Deleting the Swanky article would be a disservice.

I do hope that other people will support this article!!!!

Fitzpatrickjm 10:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep google does suggest its use both as a Cornish special occaision beer - not run of the mill home-brew, and as an Australian brand. I'd like to see more on the history of the term in the article (including the American usage referenced above) - but a need for expansion is not grounds for deletion. DuncanHill 14:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Would you provide the links. I did a search on Google and found no evidence for Swanky being a style of beer. There is no reliable source. No beer writers or beer organisations have recognised Swanky Beer as a style. That there are brands of beers brewed in Australia called Swanky I am not disputing (though I would question their notability) - but I see nothing out there, and nothing in my experience to suggest that Swanky is anything more than a local name for home brewed beer. A reputable source is what is needed, otherwise we could have Kentish Ale, Cornish Beer Yorkshire Beer etc. There's way more evidence for these terms than Swanky, but they are understood not to relate to beer styles. SilkTork 15:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Swanky has been served at the South Australian Cornish Festival since 1973. It is well recognised in South Australia, and in particular in the Copper Coast region. Sandyshores 02:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
* User's first edit. Account created on 18 August. SilkTork 08:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TerriersFan 01:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. As there seem to be a number of competing claims to the name here use this as a disambig. Individual claims can be built from here and stand or fall on their own merits, rather than trying to judge an AfD on numerous competing claims. Nuttah68 14:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.