Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sustainability at Berea College

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There are suggestions below for starting with a sub-section on the college's page, which if there are independent sources available on the topic would be an excellent idea. GRBerry 17:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sustainability at Berea College

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Reads like a press release from the college's Department of Public Affairs; no external sources; no reason why we should have articles on particular organizations' efforts at "greening". NawlinWiki 12:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, we are a group of 4 Berea College Students uploading a wikipedia page for a class project. While being unfamiliar with how Wikipedia works, we accidentally uploaded the page before it was ready. When we saw the save the page button at the bottom of the page, we thought it would save our work and we could upload it at another time. Our assignment is do on October 10, 2007, which is now the day our page is marked for deletion. We didnt mean to post it yet, and now we are lost and could use some help. We are still in the process of fine tuning our information and work, and dont know where to go from here. Please help us!!! Thanks for anything you can do. Jsahrrdc —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsahrrdc (talk • contribs) 14:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy delete Wikipedia is NOT a free web host. Geocities is that-a-way. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:52, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
• Copy to talk for the interim, or a subpage there, in the interim then. I am not convinced yet that a college's mission statement on environmental policies is noteworthy enough for a full article, even if it rates a paragraph or two in Berea College. But until the initial editor gets something worthy of final release, it should be preserved for future work. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
• Help I guess we still dont quite understand, is there a way we can take our page down finalize it and post it again? Is that what you were refering to when you said copy it to talk? Do we just copy the entire page and post it in the talk section? We appreciate all of your feedback. It will only help us make our page better and Wikipedia worthy. Thanks Jsahrrdc —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 16:52, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete WTF? It's a college mission statement in regards to enviornmental practices. Why in the blue hell does it have a page? At best this could be put into the main article on the college. --Cyrus Andiron 17:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete/Comment Assuming good faith and don't bite the newbies, I created a User Talk sub-page and copied the article there. It shouldn't be on Wiki at all, but there's no point trashing these guys work if they'll be removing it within a week or two. If I've violated any policies by making the copy onto the talk sub-page, please let me know and feel free to revert it. Franamax 18:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
  • It's not going to be "safe" there. A talk page without an article is speediable. It needs to be put under someone's user page. -- Ben 19:58, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Well there's some learning for me too, I was following Smerdis above. Not gonna do anymore, if Jsahrrdc resurfaces, they can create their user page for extra credit. If they had an email contact, I would have just told them what to do. I sent a non-snarky email to Berea PR asking if their prof's are in the habit of assigning wiki-projects without knowing what they are about. Franamax 03:09, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per the nomination. If biting the newbies means getting rid of this article then bite away. Burntsauce 22:49, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Or at the very least userfy. Honestly, people should do some more research on our policies before sending these kids off to create articles for homework. Bfigura ^(talk) 05:40, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete The first part of a college class Wikiproject should be finding something notable to write about. this will require a certain about of preliminary research about wikipedia, such as reading WP:N and some of the other introductory pages. (Just like term papers or class projects of any sort--you need to have a topic). There are many possibilities: Berea has many notable alumni--some have article, but there are probably many more who could probably justify articles, as could probably a number of the faculty-- and perhaps some of the buildings. And Berea has an very interesting history and a dramatic social role in American education--though its founder has an article, there were other prominent people involved. (and all of the surrounding towns and countries , though they may have articles, could probably use some expansion) A little more imagination is needed. I'll be glad to help if the instructor wants to contact me. DGG (talk) 06:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

• I'm guessing that its an early-year media or communications class (if it's IT-related they will surely fail - I hope :) and WP is a perfectly valid topic. A good skill to have as long as they teach how to evaluate what they read and develop the necessary skills like checking history and discussion. One could also argue that it's perfectly valid for a prof' to just throw them out there - getting a kick in the head is always a valuable, if brutal form of learning :) Possibly the instructor is aware of WP's self-healing capacity and is teaching a lesson and a meta-lesson at once. In any case, if I get a response I will pass it along. Franamax 10:25, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

• Merge some of this back into Berea College. The college, located at Berea, KY, has always marched to a different drummer, with work-service alternatives to tuition and a historically diverse student body (a court order was taken in 1904 to enjoin it from disregarding segregation laws). However, no matter how well-intentioned, the separate article as a class project isn't encyclopedic. Nothing to stop the students from contributing to the larger page. Mandsford 13:14, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
  • We actually did research wikipedia and what it is all about. Our prof gave us a 20 page history of how and why the founder of wikipedia did what he did and what wikipedia is all about. It is for a general education course on critical thinking, part of the whole process that we are supposed to be going through is figuring out what knowledge is to us and what others feel knowledge is. Obviously from above reponses the topic we chose is not what others feel knowledge is. We are currently in the process of revamping our whole page and would take this one down if it wasnt against the rules of deletion. Your comments have been really helpful, and eye opening to this whole wikipedia experience. Some alot nicer than others, but the world isnt always a friendly place, especially when you are a "newbie". All of them will hopefully make our next upload a more successful one. Since this is only a two week long assignment it is hard to understand the whole wikipedia concept. There is so much info out there, trial and error though sometimes teaches the best lessons.So again thank you, and we may be contacting some of you again for for help, others for future scrutiny.Jsahrrdc 13:20, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete - re-voting per Jsahrrdc comments. Seems the issue is settled? Jsahrrdc, create your user page now, you have contracted the wiki-virus and it can't be stopped. Try searching for Wikipedia:xxxx, xxxx being new user, edit page, policies, whatever - keep hacking and follow the links. Critical thinking is good, remember any or all of us could be lying at any given time, check the sources. Good luck! :) Franamax 14:09, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

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