Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sunset Center Mall

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Stifle (talk) 21:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sunset Center Mall

Sunset Center Mall (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Orphaned stub on a mall in Texas. Claims to be the first mall in its area, but doesn't back that up with any sources. A search for sources turned up nothing but store directories. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete - Finally, a mall with a claim to notability! Unfortunately, being the first mall in the fourteenth largest city of the second-biggest state in the fourth country of the world doesn't cut it.--Victor falk 18:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - It just has soo many semi-descriptive advertising terms.--NightRider63 20:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - notability is derived from economic impact to region. Citations & References provided. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 23:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - per Exit2DOS2000. This mall doesn't have to be the Mall of America to have an article. If it's the first mall in the region and has economic impact on the region, the article should stay. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 01:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Did it have a notable (ie, unusually remarkable) impact?--Victor falk 01:52, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I think the second paragraph covers that. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 02:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Do you mean the one that starts "Amarillo's first modern-day indoor mall with the region's first escalators..."? I'm fairly sure that "impact" has to be something more than escalators.--Victor falk 02:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I would tend to think the 1000's of jobs it created in its construction, 100's of retail owners and 100's of retail workers have noticed an Economic Impact. Shall I continue with how the State might notices an Economic Impact ? Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 00:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
  • It has historical impact as well. Malls should have articles, specially this one because it was the first. Many malls have articles on Wikipedia, even those less notable than this one. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 21:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Malls are also important for the economy, and everyone knows malls in their area, which makes them even more notable. If this mall was the first in Amarillo, TX (a pretty large city), it has huge impact on the city itself. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 21:14, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • That's a bit contradictory: if Amarillo is a big city (which I say we can say), then a mall presumably is not likely to have so much impact. Has it been such a tremendous success (or being a such a burden, you never know) that it has made a notable (that is, different from what is expected) impact on Amarillo (with sources please)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Victor falk (talk • contribs) 18:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Asking for the provision of relative notability is pointless. Notability is provided by the fact that it has a significant economic impact to the local community. "Please consider notable and demonstrable effects on..." amongst other things "economies". In what way are you suggesting a Shopping Centre doesnot fufill this ? Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 02:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • citing wp:corp would be relevant if this was the afd for Sunset Center Mall Inc--Victor falk 02:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • No, on the contrary, I'm asking for the absolute impact. Was it huge? Was it insignificant or negative? Was it about average? In which case it is not notable--Victor falk 02:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Asking "Was it about average?" as in comparason to what? Your asking for its notability in comparason to something else. That is relative. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 03:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • So you say it's notable no matter its economic impact on the community? What's that fuss about saying economic impact is a reason to keep then?--Victor falk 05:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • No reliable secondary sources. Delete. Pathless 18:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Regardless, no sources are present--NightRider63 19:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.