Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sunny Bebop Balzary
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Redirect to Flea (musician) — Caknuck 04:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sunny Bebop Balzary
Apart from the silly name, completely non-notable. We are told about her father, her mother, her half-sister, her godafther, but nothing about her. Which is hardly surprising - she's only 2. Emeraude 12:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Redirect to Flea (musician). Propaniac 12:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete and DO NOT redirect to Flea (musician)...notability is not inherited. --sumnjim talk with me·changes 14:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Which is why I don't think she should have her own article; non-notable subjects are given redirects to the appropriate subject all the time. It's plausible that someone would hear the name (especially because it's so weird) but not know that she's Flea's daughter, and changing it to a redirect also tells a newcomer, checking to find out if Wikipedia has any coverage of the subject, that she has already been addressed in some fashion and may deter that person from starting a new, unneeded article. Propaniac 16:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- In my opinion, there needs to be a better reason that "her name is weird" to validate a redirect. --sumnjim talk with me·changes 17:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Which is why I don't think she should have her own article; non-notable subjects are given redirects to the appropriate subject all the time. It's plausible that someone would hear the name (especially because it's so weird) but not know that she's Flea's daughter, and changing it to a redirect also tells a newcomer, checking to find out if Wikipedia has any coverage of the subject, that she has already been addressed in some fashion and may deter that person from starting a new, unneeded article. Propaniac 16:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Despite not being notable, she is undeniably more famous than the vast majority of two-year-olds due to her famous parentage, and it's not out of the realm of reason that someone may type her name into a search engine. You seem to be thinking of a redirect as something other than a tool for navigation, which is certainly how I think of it. But whatever, I really don't give a fig and I'm not going to continue to defend the obvious and fundamental merit of the redirect, which has been employed hundreds of times in AFDs similar to this one. Propaniac 18:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- And may I suggest you consult a dictionary in order to better understand the word "especially," which is not a synonym for "solely." Propaniac 18:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Ok first of all, you need to get off your high horse, and quit talking down to me. Don't you dare try to tell me to go consult a dictionary. Who the hell are you to try to insult me? Second of all, I never said anything about using the words especially and solely as synonyms. You pointed out 2 reasons to keep (redirect) the article. 1) because she has a weird name, and 2) because she is Flea's daughter. Since it's apparant we both agree that #2 is not a valid reason (since notability is not inherited), the only other option left to argue is #1, which I said having a weird name is also not a valid reason to keep/redirect the article. You can easily discuss this in a civil manner without resorting to personal insults of someone's intelligence, which will fall under WP:NPA, which is official policy. --sumnjim talk with me·changes 18:50, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
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- A redirect is absolutely not the same thing as a keep in terms of bestowing notability. We agree she's not notable enough for an article; I don't know why you think I "agreed" that this meant the name did not deserve a redirect, which was my own suggestion (based on precedent) and so it's nonsensical to say that I was putting forth the single reason that her name was strange. I apologize for misinterpreting the claim that I only put forward one reason, to mean that I had only put forward one reason, instead of what you apparently meant, which is that I had put forward two reasons but you had decided that we both agreed one of them (the more important one) was not worth acknowledging. (I also apologize for the lateness of my reply, as I was on a trip.) Propaniac 13:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Flea (musician) - the precedent I've seen involves kids like Suri Cruise or Brangelina's, whose name slips my mind. In those cases we redirect. This one might be a reasonable redirect, but the chances of someone seeing her name outside of the context of her parents is probably going to be a bit remote. Even so, a redirect is cheap. Tony Fox (arf!) review? 19:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Redirect to Flea (musician) as it's a plausible search term, and she already gets a sentence in that article, which contains all the information in this one. Iain99 21:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Redirect to father's article, as is routinely done for other celebrity children. Good grief, now we're supposed to have notability standards for redirects? Talk about instruction creep. --Dhartung | Talk 02:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete & redirect - There is already a 1 line mention in the other article, which is sufficient Corpx 02:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
