Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Summer of Sonic

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE. Herostratus 04:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Summer of Sonic

Placed on CSD, CSD was contested. Article has been deleted once before. While having Masahiro Kumono, Shun Nakamura, and Richard Jacques comment on the event is very impressive, it's also unverifiable because the only interview sources are the Summer of Sonic website itself, and it does not constitute a reliable source. There needs to be reliable sources about the event to make it pass WP:WEB. ColourBurst 22:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The only other website (that I know of so far) is http://news.sonicstadium.org/story/190/ and a forum topic http://boards.ign.com/sonic_the_hedgehog/b5224/123339129/p1/ UnDeRsCoRe 22:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. Please read reliable sources. Sonic News cannot be considered "independent" as it is part of the TSS network, the host of Summer of Sonic. IGN forum posts are also wholly unverifiable because anybody can post. ColourBurst 22:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, there is this. http://www.sonic-cult.org/newsx/fullnews.php?id=100 I don't know if it's reliable... http://sonichq.mobiusforum.net/newsite/ it has a small thing saying to visit it. I still can't find websites that are classified as "reliable" such as IGN or Gamespot, or even SEGA etc. UnDeRsCoRe 23:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

This is pretty recent; shouldn't we give someone out there time to write something on it? Anyway, Jun Senoue, an muscian who works at Sonic Team, has something about it on his site. Besides, Sega recognizes it as a significant event and gave permission for Sonic Stadium to use the "15th anniversary logo" (which is usually only granted to sites like IGN). Also, interviews with Sonic Team staff were placed on SoS rather than their usual place at Sonic Channel. This is a big event, much more than Hedgehog Heaven. (I think you should know that "no evidence of notability, therefore not notable" is denying the antecedent and an irrelevant conclusion. Know the logic behind your own policy, for goodness sakes.) --DavidHOzAu 02:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. You don't wait for someone else to write about an item to justify its existence here. It needs sufficient outside source first. Wryspy 07:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep- It is clearly a notable event! It has, as stated above, been recognized by Sega (of Europe, to specify.) It was even handed prizes, such as signed copies of Sonic Advance, and Adventure 2! It is recognized as a large fan event. And official event if count Sega's participation in it. And besides, why would Masahiro Kumono, Shun Nakamura, Richard Jacques, and Jun Senoue allow an interview with them if they do not recognize this event. UnDeRsCoRe 20:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] August 20

I don't know what happened here. The article didn't have an AFD tag on it, this AfD was never closed. I'm recreating the AfD and relisting. This site is non-notable, as proven by the enormous list of nn handles of forum contributors. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Not notable, possible forumcruft, and possible advertising. Alexa Count is 827,456. --real_decimic 04:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Wryspy 07:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. RandyWang (^chat/_patch) 12:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, not notable. Listing forum contributors doesn't really inspire confidence. RandyWang (^chat/_patch) 12:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete- per nom.--Peephole 13:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - Any reason for the 2 same AFD notices on the page? --real_decimic 20:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep- It is clearly a notable event! It has, as stated above, been recognized by Sega (of Europe, to specify.) It was even handed prizes, such as signed copies of Sonic Advance, and Adventure 2! It is recognized as a large fan event. And official event if count Sega's participation in it. And besides, why would Masahiro Kumono, Shun Nakamura, Richard Jacques, and Jun Senoue allow an interview with them if they do not recognize this event. UnDeRsCoRe 20:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, no reliable sources. If it's deleted, be sure to remove the redlink from Template:SonicFeatures so as to discourage recreation by a well-meaning third party. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 12:57, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment- Just because it does not have an official source dosen't mean it isn't an event. That would be like saying that a tv show dosen't exist just because no website has talked about it. UnDeRsCoRe 16:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

If it doesn't have any official sources and none can be found, it doesn't meet WP:V. If it doesn't meet WP:V, we can't/won't/shouldn't keep it. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 19:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete If the world at large (read Newsbank and Lexis-Nexis) don't care then we shouldn't either. ~ trialsanderrors 01:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.