Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sue Page (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus/Keep. Addhoc (talk · contribs) has cleaned up this article and added references. There's no consensus to delete here, and the recent improvements give clear cause to keep this article around, in my opinion. Further information below has clarified the prior issues with copyright that do not seem to matter with the current version of the article. — Scientizzle 17:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sue Page

Sue Page (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

This article has already been through a deletion review once already, with delete being the result. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sue Page.

It has since been recreated in the exact same form by User:Eskog. See Sue Page.

Consequently, I did the obvious thing and inserted a speedy delete tag inside the article. However, within minutes this was removed by User:Random832. In doing so, Random832 failed to follow through the proper process of challenging a speedy deletion. Random832 offered only a vague explanation for this action in the edit summary.

I submit that this article remains a very poorly written piece about a non-notable person and should therefore be deleted. Dlw22 (talk) 14:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment. Given that the previous result was a speedy delete, I don't think it's eligible for WP:CSD#G4 speedy deletion as recreation of deleted material. And ESkog's undeletion on 2 January states in the log that permission for copying http://www.nrudrh.edu.au/index.php?pageid=2233&siteid=246 was received. So I think we should discuss this on its merits as an article rather than trying to use either of those issues as shortcuts. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

• Will debate merits below, but the page has "Copyright © 2006 Northern Rivers University Department of Rural Health" on the bottom, does permission to use come as an irrevokable official form? IANAL, but it looks to me like more is required than the subject's own permission. The source is clearly copyrighted, makes me nervous. Pete.Hurd (talk) 05:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

• Weak Delete Name makes it hard to find much via google (too common) but she looks vaguely notable, but I couldn't find anything sufficient. Might be out there. Currently it's a big resume. Hobit (talk) 03:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete I think she fails WP:PROF, a stronger case may exist via being Past President of the Rural Doctors Association, and/or unelected offical, but what newsish coverage I could trawl on-line was pretty tangential, [1] [2]. Pete.Hurd (talk) 06:03, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as per Pete Hurd. --Crusio (talk) 14:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep Although not notable as an academic, President Rural Doctors Association Australia seems sufficiently notable as a nationwide office. DGG (talk) 00:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - The previous deletion result was to delete the article as a copyright violation, so G4 clearly doesn't apply. I can confirm that we have permission to present this information, but will make no comment for or against its encyclopedic merits. (ESkog)^(Talk) 12:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
• Dr Sue Page was the first (and only) female President of the Rural Doctors Association of Australia - the rural version of the Australian Medical Association (AMA)
  She has made a huge contribution to Australia's Rural Medial Community specifically in relation to the Medical Indemnity Industry review but also had a significant impact negotiating the introduction of bulk billing incentives for rural communities and of rural nurse item numbers
  She has regularly presented the Financial Review conferences
  She is a notable Australian and a legend
  I am suprised you could find much there is heaps on a very quick google search
  http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Dr+Sue+Page&btnG=Search&meta=
  Cheers Rural Watch —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rural Watch (talk • contribs) 09:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• comment as the admin who declined speedy deletion (thanks for notifying me!) - Just to clarify, User:Eskog did not repost the article, he undeleted it, on receipt of verified copyright permission via OTRS. (that said, it does need some clean-up work.) —Random832 19:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep with cleanup. A copy of her resume isn't a good article, but I am satisified that she meets WP:N. A google news search of "Sue Page" +rural shows a long string of articles including inerviews of her. -- Whpq (talk) 00:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete doesn't meet even the most basic criteria of WP:BIO. Being an "immediate Past President of the Rural Doctors Association" does not make one notable by itself - the rest is simply a CV. Teleomatic (talk) 01:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - significant media coverage Addhoc (talk) 14:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.