Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suburbs of Thuringowa City

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep and possibly merge. This was more clear cut than I thought at initial glance. It appears that there is 1)no consensus to delete, and 2)differing views as to what exactly to do with the information/history of this article. Since there is no consensus to actually delete, I'm closing this as keep. However, there is also a strong sense that this information should belong in a different, existing article. (hence the "possible merge") Interested and knowledgeable parties (of which I am admittedly neither) should open up the talk page(s) of relevant articles to decide what to do with this valid information. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suburbs of Thuringowa City

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Listing was incomplete. Neutral. SilkTork *YES! 23:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete as the City of Thuringowa no longer exists - merged with lga City of TownsvilleROxBo (talk) 14:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep I was going to rename the page to Former Suburbs of Thuringowa in an effort to keep some of the history alive, as almost all of these suburbs have been named by the people that uesd to live in this part of Thuringowa, Plus when i tried to add a very small amount of History into the Suburb pages it was or will be deleted, also as one other editor said, lets wait until the dust settels and see what is going on with the name Thuringowa Eg : there were talks by both Les Tyrell and Tony mooney that the Area that was Thuringowa may keep the name and becaome a community, region etc...what is the big rush. Thanks Thuringowacityrep (talk) 00:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete In practice most of Australia has pages/templates per region (in fact, in most, this would simply be a section in the LGA's article - see for example City of Stirling which has 1.5 times the combined population of Townsville/Thuringowa) - we've tended to create pages for regional cities. The relevant one here is List of Townsville suburbs. There is no real problem with regards to "keeping the history alive" as the region is still called Thuringowa (it's a former LGA, not a former region), so in the breakdown on the Townsville page one could have, say, "Inner Townsville", "Southern Townsville", "Urban Thuringowa" etc as section headings. Orderinchaos 03:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep I don't see how this LGA being merged means that this article shouldn't remain. These were the suburbs in a significant council region. --Nick Dowling (talk) 07:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. —Nick Dowling (talk) 07:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, per User:Nick Dowling above. The fact that the city no longer exists in a legal sense is no reason to delete the article. Lankiveil (speak to me) 09:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC).
Please note the page is in fact a list, not an article. All the internal links are now incorporated in the Townsville page - the new LGA after merger with Thuringowa. Is wiki supposed to be a list of all levels of historical local government?ROxBo (talk) 12:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

No...but how often does a city of 63,000+ population and a 128 year history get wiped off the map? if this page is to be deleted then the list needs to be added to the main Thuringowa page in the history part, so the people that do want to know about Thuringowa's history can see what suburbs were in Thuringowa. Thuringowacityrep (talk) 12:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

That is a reasonable suggestion.ROxBo (talk) 12:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Thank you...but i would like this page to say if it could.
  • Delete The main article - City of Thuringowa can cover this ground quite adequately. Perhaps a merge with the main article would be appropriate. -- Mattinbgn\talk 23:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I have to let you all know, (but some of you would now already) that the Suburbs of Thuringowa used to be listed in the main City of Thuringowa page, but i was told that this didn't belong here and kept it getting deleted, so that is why i started this page (the suburbs one) and now i'm being told that the City of Thuringowa page will "cover this ground quite adequately".....can someone please tell me why it wasn't ok back then but now it is the best idea. Plus i am more then happy to have this list on the Thuringowa page as long as it doesn't keep getting deleted. Thansk Thuringowacityrep (talk) 02:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I can't say for sure, as I can't get a good idea from the history, but it looks as though they were deleted because they are existing suburbs of a no longer existent city; by definition, they would be suburbs of the current city, which would be Townsville. As for what to do here, merge with List of Townsville suburbs, and make note there of which suburbs are former Thuringowa suburbs. JeremyMcCracken (talk) 05:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge with City of Thuringowa page. I do appreciate from Thuringowacityrep's comments that this was previously the case; however, with Thuringowa now being a former municipality I don't think the suburb list warrants separate treatment. I do favour it being merged into the Thuringowa article (rather than being deleted entirely) only from the perspective that the information helps define the boundaries or constituency of the former municipality, although perhaps the treatment could be briefer. A relevant example might be the brief suburb listing for the City of Hawthorn. Murtoa (talk) 06:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the City of Hawthorn example is the best way forward. -- Mattinbgn\talk 09:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.