Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Student Christian Movement of Canada

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep per WP:SNOW (non-admin closure) --MPerel 23:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Student Christian Movement of Canada

Student Christian Movement of Canada (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Non-notable student organization. Fails WP:ORG. Has little to no references. Delete GreenJoe 18:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

• Weak keep. This was an important group in Toronto in the 1960s, and was involved in a variety of "radical" (at least liberal or left-leaning) movements of the time. They also ran the best book store in Toronto for a dozen or so years, until they decided to get out of that business and allowed the manager, Bob Miller, to take it over under his own name. Ron B. Thomson (talk) 18:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep – Article has been around since 2005! It is well written – referenced and establishes Notability just based on its history. Likewise, they have generated enough media attention, as shown here [1] to meet our guidelines. ShoesssS ^Talk 18:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Needs to be rescued though. Don't have time right now but I'm sure that there are citations available where it has been asked for.--Pmedema (talk) 18:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep – A search of Google Scholar and Google Books indicates several references to this organization, including at least one book (Beatie, Margaret A Short History of the Student Christian Movement in Canada). I don't have access to all of the references right now, and know very little about the subject, so I can't add them myself, but with a little work and some more citations, I think that this will be a perfectly fine article. It is a relatively well written article about a reasonably notable organization, that just needs a little cleanup and a lot of work on references. — λ (talk) 18:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. This is a long-established organization operating on a national scale. --Eastmain (talk) 19:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 20:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 20:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep while not as important, or as well-known, now as they used to be they do have a long and notable history that can be sourced. Reggie Perrin (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Previous editors said it best...and first. Ecoleetage (talk) 00:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Multiple independent reliable sources about this group eg. book resources: [2][3][4] Slp1 (talk) 01:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Why this article being considered for deletion when its a bonafide national Canadian organization? Its notable enough. Artene50 (talk) 05:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Plentiful independent coverage asserts notability. WilliamH (talk) 14:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, notable org, sufficient sourcing. --Soman (talk) 19:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - National organization with significant student membership. Reliable sources can be found (I added a few myself).--Eclipse98 (talk) 05:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - Nominator accused me of COI (saying that it was improper for the creator of the article to remove a speedy--but I was not the creator ). Then when I pointed this fact out, he alleged that the {{db-spam}} tag prohibited anyone someone from removing it (which is false...just look at the directions on the tag itself). I have already informed User:GreenJoe of this.--Eclipse98 (talk) 05:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure how any of that is relevant to this AfD discussion. Skeezix1000 (talk) 15:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Nominator was rude, accused me of violating policy (when it was he who was violating policy), and tried to improperly manipulate wikipedia's rules to achieve his desired goal: deleting this article. I felt the nominator's actions pertaining to this AFD went beyond normal standards of conduct, and that information would be useful to editors considering this AFD.--Eclipse98 (talk) 16:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

That may or may not be true, but in this case the alleged conduct does not appear to be relevant to the discussion, which involves the notability of the article subject. If you have issues with GreenJoe, this isn't the place to air them. Skeezix1000 (talk) 16:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Notable organization. Skeezix1000 (talk) 15:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - The Student Christian Movement is (or at least has been) an extremely important movement. I cannot speak of the Canadian movement specifically, but have no reason to suppose that it is not like those of other countries. I happen to take a diametrically oppose view to SCM on many issues, but that is irrelevant. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.