Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/StraightWay

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] StraightWay

Advertisement for non-notable evangelical corporation, providing no verifiability. Prod tag was removed. IceCreamAntisocial 21:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Delete Their home page is here: [1]. Not sure why that's not in the article. It seems like they ought to be notable, but there's very little web chatter. The only real claims to notability are two letters of commendation from the last two governors of Texas (which politicians hand out like party favors). This is very likely the kind of organization (homeless people, teen mothers, etc.) that doesn't really cross path with the web very much, so I'm inclined to cut them some slack, but not this much. verifiability is the issue. - Richfife 22:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm pulling back to Neutral on this one. Evangelical organizations raise my hackles a bit, so I should compensate for that in my vote. - Richfife 17:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• You did not mention that one of the "former governors" of Texas is the current president of the United States, and the other one is the CURRENT GOVERNOR of Texas. That seems to hold a decent level of verification. Because an organization is not validated through a google search--does this now mean that they are non-notable? The StraightWay ministry is the one which led Karla Faye Tucker to Christ 12 years before her execution. The director has been interviewed by Larry King about the ministry. Several Houston-based news stations have aired reports about StraightWay. Carter89fifteen 06:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Again, verifiability is the issue. What was the air date of the Larry King episode? How long was his segment? The Karla Faye Tucker conversion isn't notable in my book (religious conversion on death row is very common and generally suspect). And again, a commendation from a governor (even a president to be) is nothing to write home about. Follow this link for a reason why: [2] - Richfife 06:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
• The bulk of the media coverage was done in 1997, before the execution of Ms. Tucker. The main issue reported was in regards to the organization's ideological opposition of the death penalty. Also... my facts about the Larry King interview were not straight (in fact, they were downright wrong). I apologize for that. While King covered the issue, an interview was not conducted. There were, however, several networks that interviewed Mr. Kirschke (SW director) about the issue because of how controversial it was, including MSNBC. It placed StraightWay very much in the limelight because it was their organization that brought Karla to a place of Christian conversion. Thank you for withdrawing your "weak delete" vote. I appreciate your willingness to admit your lack of objectivity when it comes to evangelical programs, but I am confused about your prejudice against these programs (which you say "raise your hackles"). My question is: If you are a liberal, who by definition is one who is an open-minded person and freethinker, as I am, why are you so intolerant of those of a different persuasion, even if it is Christian-based? To me, that seems to be quite a narrow-minded approach and philosophy to have.-Carter89fifteen 16:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Look, don't get personal, please. In order to show that the organization is notable enough, all you need to do is cite your sources, and provide references that other people can go to and see for themselves why the organization is important enough to merit an article. I hate to link to Wikipedia:Verifiability again, but really that page has the information you need. Also, it is a requirement of every Wikipedia article. The article will not be deleted if it cites reliable sources about its importance. IceCreamAntisocial 03:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete one of a multitude of re-hab centers. so-what? It isn't the Betty Ford Clinic. It isn't notable -- per the article, no notable people have re-habbed here, either. Carlossuarez46 18:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks,  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  11:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Trim to a stub, merge into Teen Challenge, unless secondary references are found. Addhoc 12:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• It's another nn rehab centre, unver, delete. Edit: Also, if this isnt going to get deleted, please rewrite it. It reads far more like advertising/advocacy than it does an encyclopedia article. You know you're in for a 80's style hard-sell when you start seeing ® and © symbols all over a page. (SWTC --Amists 14:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete it's a nicely written article, but I'm not convinced that this rehab center is any more notable than all the other rehab centers out there. Amazinglarry 18:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• delete and redirect. Don't need two potentially divergent articles about the same thing. Ohconfucius 23:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.