Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steven Cann

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. —Kurykh 00:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steven Cann

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Hasn't played in a fully professional league. Alexrushfear 14:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

*Speedy Keep Person has played for Derby_County_F.C., which is in the Premier League, which is a professional league. Satisfies WP:BIO for athlete. --sumnjim talk with me·changes 15:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC) See note below

  • Comment Do you have proof of Cann ever playing a league or cup game for the Derby County 1st team? Alexrushfear 16:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Um, yeah...look at the link on his wikipedia article. It shows right there that he has statistics for Derby. I'm trying to assume good faith but I find it really hard when it appears you threw out a nomination without researching this at all. --sumnjim talk with me·changes 16:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
The Soccerbase link shows zero appearances with Derby County. Same goes for ESPN.com's Soccernet.Caknuck 16:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
As does the Derby County website. Alexrushfear 16:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
In my eyes, whether he actually played or not, with him being on the roster, is sufficient for me. That's my opinion, obviously. --sumnjim talk with me·changes 16:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I respect your opinion, but as far as I can see he was something like the 4th choice goalie, so that puts him at more or less substitute reserve keeper. Even for a Championship team (they weren't in the Premiership while he was there), that's not that remarkable. Alexrushfear 16:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak delete According to the Derby County Web site, Cann played for the U-19 squad, not the senior club. He's also played for the Welsh U-19 Nationals [1]. However, he has yet to make his mark at the "top level" required by WP:BIO. Caknuck 16:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete according to this he never played for Derby. Seems to be just another trainee "let go" by a club after not making the grade. Totnesmartin 16:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Under 18 or Under 19 isn't fully professional, as players might be on a youth contract or just a triallist. Nor is it amateur, as they are being paid. If he were to gain a full international cap, then that would be an exception. Alexrushfear 16:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Note Well if U-18 and U-19 are not fully professional (as defined by WP:BIO), and they get paid, then he does not meet notability requirements and should be deleted. --sumnjim talk with me·changes 17:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Has never played in a fully-professional league. Number 57 17:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. --Malcolmxl5 21:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete no appearances in professional league and without club. Dave101→talk  22:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as per norm. He might have been in the Derby County squad (what sumnjim calls a roster) but there seems to be no proof that he was ever anything other than a youth team trainee who never made the first team squad for a match. His stats list no appearances for Derby and so he fails notability at present. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 01:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, as the userbox in the article even admits that his appearances for Derby were 0(0) when he was released. If he does become successful, he can be re-created. Ref (chew)(do) 19:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
  • delete per nom.GoAirForce 19:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.