Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Nguyen (Second Nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete - cheating is futile.Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 04:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Steve Nguyen

There are many Steve Nguyen out there such as myself. And I know I've done a lot more than this guy ever will. He's not a famous actor. He's a want to be famous actor with an unsuccessful company as far as I can tell. This is for his own self glorification and commercialization. I'm a CEO of my own company. Does that mean I get a Steve Nguyen page too? No, it's ridiculous. I've been googling for his company. It's not even an important company. It's his own two bit startup operation. Additionally, his first name is "Steven", not Steve.Eggy7726 05:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

The nominator seems to be a newbie, I'd cut him some slack about not knowing about process or how to act toward WP properly. I think he's right about the inappropriateness of this article. Bwithh 18:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete No trivialization, but no notability either. Vanity. User:Guyanakoolaid (Restored this vote from vandalism -see below Bwithh 01:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC) )
  • Keep, as mentioned above. PJM 10:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep, voice acting is probably notable, but the article needs a major rewrite, the stuff about his company is not really relevant or notable, and sentences like "He is one of the youngest entrepreneurs to become a success." stink of vanity. Lankiveil 11:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC).
Voice acting in video games is generally not notable. Anyway, see my research on his game credits below. Bwithh 18:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Voice acting can certainly be notable; look at the guy who sang the Grinch song. But just because you have done some voice acting, does not make you notable in and of itself! In this case, fails WP:BIO; the WP:VAIN doesn't help in the slightest either. Eusebeus 12:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete resoundingly fails WP:BIO. Valrith 13:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep on account that it sounds kind of like the nom is bothered by people with the same name as he. --Dennis The TIger 16:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Vote stricken and changed to Delete. Reading the comments, I'm tempted to look into this and see if it's worth a speedy. --Dennis The TIger 05:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep same reason as mentioned above. --Xinyizhang 17:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Except for uploading a copyvio image, this user's only edits are to this article. [2] William Pietri 02:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Strong Delete Fails non-negotiable core policy WP:V (main claim for article that he is notable CEO/entrepreneur is unverified), and substantially fails WP:BIO and WP:CORP. Strong suspect as vanity article. His voice acting in video games (which games? what roles? the article doesnt tell us - they may well be obscure freeware games and/or minor roles (or it could be a completely false claim) and there needs to be verifiable reliable evidence that he has a special reputation for voiceacting and is not just a random guy - why do people assume without evidence that this claim about voice acting is something impressive or "probably notable"? As for the TV appearances, all his acting credits are as obscure extras[3] - "crowd member", "Asian kid") and his small company are certainly not encyclopedically notable based on the article details. We also have no evidence that he is a prominent young entrepreneur (has he been profiled in Fast Company? Did he ever get a mention in the Wall Street Journal? Has he ever been interviewed for Wired?). I checked out his personal and corporate websites - I came away with the impression of a guy with a huge ego, rather than indications that his company is a serious enterprise. IMDB profile only lists non-notable short films mostly yet to be released (no, an IMDB profile does NOT guarantee notability - their control for entries (esp. for in-production entries) is not stringent... one of the films listed as a production credit is The 1 Second Film which is a gimmicky way of raising money by letting anyone sign up as a producer in exchange for $ (there are 5000+ producers) ). Taken the article at face value (ignoring verifiability concerns), the subject appears at best to be of modest local community or campus level of notability Bwithh 18:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Followup Regarding Steve's game credits, here is listing under that nameon the game credits database, Mobygames:[4], which shows that Steve has primarily worked as a playtester ("quality assurance") - which is about as far down the video game developer food chain as you can go. His single production credit is of dubious signficance, as he is also credited as a playtester on the same game (any game producer for a major company worth their salt does not get credited for "quality assurance" on his/her games, though obviously he playtests them). In any case, the video game career as a whole is not notable enough for a video games trade magazine, and certainly not enough for an encyclopedia. As for the voice acting, he was involved with sound on a couple of games - as the dwarf voice in Stonekeep[5] (along with 20+ other people doing other roles. dwarf appears near the bottom of the voice credits). He was also one of three people on the sound effects team for Battle Chess 4000[6]. I can't believe this article survived its first afd. This subject of the article is a vain BS-er, frankly. Bwithh 18:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • keep please per truthbringer toronto see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Nguyen Yuckfoo 20:31, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment the first afd discussion was closed poorly by an admin who did not exercise any judgement (afds are not determined by simple voting, but this one was treated as such), and that discussion would be a candidate for deletion review. The only evidence given by the keep voters in that first afd to demonstrate the subject's notability was a page from an extras database detailing his roles as an extra in a few tv shows, for which sometimes he was totally uncredited in the official show credits. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a free webhosting and publicity service for egoistic bit-part actors/wannabe entrepreneurs. Bwithh 21:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FSteve_Nguyen_%28Second_Nomination%29&diff=75012380&oldid=75006216

Comment since anyone can add their own profile to Zoominfo for free (as the very link provided above says "This summary was created using information submitted by this person" i.e. by Steve himself), and claim whatever they want to claim in their zoominfo profile, this is hardly a reliable source. Even if it was, the zoominfo profile seems to use the same content as the wikipedia article, so there's no convincing assertion of encyclopedic notability. I suspect that Steve has been spamming his puffed-up resume to every online site he can Bwithh 21:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Am I the only one to notice that the IMDB page doesn't seem to correspond at all with the article? The pictures are of this guy but none of the credits remotely match; no performance credits are listed at all, which raises some verifiability issues. Is it possible IMDB mixed a producer and a minor voice actor of the same name? Fan-1967 22:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I think its possible though not certain - IMDB is not well policed and not very reliable unless its a famous celebrity page which would be policed by their agent. it may be that this Steve Nguyen signed up for the 1 second film and got mixed up with another guy) Bwithh 23:19, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Followup on films I looked into this further, and I think this article's Steve Nguyen is the same person listed on IMDB. However all the films are crappy independent films, and when I looked up the film "Star Child: The Beginning" for which he has an associate producer credit, I found that I too could be associate producer on this film for the modest sum of $49.95 (scroll down linked page). There are already 13 "associate producers"[7], so its kind of crowded (though no uh... screenplay writer or director yet apparently). I think Steve is an film extra who puffs up his resume by buying into film projects like this Bwithh 23:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Other Nguyen film "credits":
... you get the idea, I'm not going to go through the whole list. IMDB is simply not reliable for non-celebrities Bwithh 23:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • In other words, he has zero verifiable, legitimate credits. Delete. -- Fan-1967 23:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • weak Delete anity'ish page, and not that notable Benon 23:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as per Bwithh -- Whpq 00:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep 00:52, 11 September 2006 aznrtn1:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
    • CommentThe above keep vote by aznrtn was actually originally posted by the vandal User:68.4.36.229 (presumably same person - aznrtn account has one one edit in history only).[9]
  • Delete - I'd been holding back on this one, but Bwithh convinced me. My Alt Account 01:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Vandalism and AFD manipulation by Anonymous IP User:68.4.36.229 This user has been attempting to subvert this afd discussion. Not only has he/she voted keeply more than once anonymously, they have deliberately altered the vote of a delete voter to keep not just once but twice, and they have attempted to remove the original nomination, not just once but twice. Steve, if this is you doing this - stop, it's pathetic. Bwithh 01:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
    • User:68.4.36.229 likely to be Steve Nguyen himself, or else close associate This interview] of Steve on a website which is yet another film producer credit scam] Steve is involved in (so he's involved in, what, 7, 10, more?) has Steve himself saying that he comes from "a town called Palos Verdes Estates, located about 25 miles south of Los Angeles." Running a WHOIS on the anonymous vandal shows that IP is located in "Rancho Palos Verdes, California" which is located about 25 miles south of Los Angeles[10]. Bwithh 01:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as not meeting WP:BIO and a tragic example of WP:VAIN. With thanks to Bwithh for shoveling out the bullshit. William Pietri 02:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I'd like to second those kudos. The immature behavior here is way beyond the patience of most people, but somebody needs to stand up to it. Thanks Bwithh. My Alt Account 02:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Thanks very much, guys! Bwithh 16:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep 05:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.9.90.88 (talk • contribs)
  • delete. Hope he goes far. He's not there yet. There seem to be a few people by that name, and none of the info on his article appears to be verifiable per WP:RS. Let's decode his career path per the article:
  1. guest appearances on several television shows, commercials (already dealt with by Bwithh above)
  2. has designed numerous websites for Nickelodeon and the SciFi Channel
  3. done voicework for various PC and video game companies, (already dealt with by Bwithh above. Some voiceover artists are indeed very sought after and are big earners, but he doesn't appear to be one of them)
all before attending high-school in 1998. He currently attends the University of California.
His company is a Microsoft Certified Partner (like almost everyone who does any computing work), providing web design and development for a variety of clients, "from niche-market businesses to members of the Fortune 500". Without being disparaging, Nickelodeon is a member of fortune 500 company Viacom. Stickblade.com has no alexa rank. Ohconfucius 09:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
comment note that his company's article was deleted back in Nov 2005 (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stickblade Incorporated, note vandalism in that AFD too). The material has recently re-appeared in what we might call this "user page". Pete.Hurd 17:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete blatant self-inflation per Bwithh's research. ~ trialsanderrors 08:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per Bwithh. Arbusto 02:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.