Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Hoffman (businessman)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Kubigula (talk) 00:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steve Hoffman (businessman)

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I created this article after splitting it from the other Steve Hoffman article. I had mean to instantly prod it, but apparently I forgot. This biographical article has remained unreferenced for about a year, and I believe the subject doesn't meet WP:BIO for individuals. Mikeblas 16:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Apparently CEO of several major Hollywood companies, and the article claims founding member of the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences Interactive Media Group, Board of Governors for the Producers Guild New Media Council. co-founder of the San Francisco Chapter of the Producers Guild of America. I don;'t know that industry, but I think he's notable. Needs references. DGG (talk) 11:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tikiwont 11:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

• Weak keep based on LavaMind, which is a possible WP:CORP article. Some of his other roles are not as notable or simply behind the scenes, though he's clearly well-regarded by his peers. --Dhartung | Talk 20:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. Remember that WP:BIO says "The person has been the subject of one of the following sources (which must be referenced in the article):", and that's not true for this article. As far as I'm concerned, any unreferenced biographic content should be deleted speedily, since it's too risky to publish otherwise. -- Mikeblas 13:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete because THIS ARTICLE IS A WALKING WP:BLP VIOLATION. If there are reliable non-trivial third party publications about this person, please cite them. The community has been asking for them since October 2006, (THAT'S LAST YEAR). Burntsauce 22:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per Burtntsauce. Sorry, DGG, but there's a blatant BLP violation here, with lots of claims and zero sources for any of them. Not my field, so I can't rescue this one. Bearian 17:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Clearly notable. Serial founder of multiple notable companies. Plenty of press. If sources are missing, add them rather than deleting encyclopedic content. There's no BLP violation - that's a misunderstanding of BLP. Incidentally, Burntsauce seems to have been hounded off Wikipedia over his persistent deltionism[1]; a rant like the above should not be counted.Wikidemo 20:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I never knew that Bearian was a rampant deletionist, and he too sees some problems. RfCs go elsewhere, lets discuss the article. DGG (talk) 04:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, DGG. In any case, I've noticed better cites have been added. Can anyone else find some more reliable sources? I'll agree to keep if this can be improved further. Bearian 16:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry folks, and especially Bearian, for any misdirected comments. I meant Burntsauce's rant. His cap lock key must have gotten stuck. Well, what's the real scoop? Did Steve Hoffman start a bunch of notable companies or not? If so we simply need to source it as we've been doing and stubbify anything that seems outrageous or improper. I know the article should have sources and that we should not have to hunt for them. But if things were as they should be we wouldn't be here. Just saying, sometimes it's more productive to fix than delete. If it's a person of marginal or questionable notability, deletion isn't a big deal. But if it's an obviously notable person with obviously real but unsourced claims, the balance tips in favor of making that effort in my opinion. Cheers, Wikidemo 17:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

• Keep He is a CEO of numerous "Hollywood Companies"--English836 21:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.