Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Gregg

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-27 08:15Z

[edit] Steve Gregg

Steve Gregg (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Contested PROD. Yanksox 18:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. Yes, from what I know, subject has notability per the specifications. Subject is renowned outside his immediate locality, including the South Amercia, Israel, and throughout the world. Subject has been published by independant publishing houses, including Thomas Nelson Publishers, etc. I believe this article fulfills the guidelines. If you need any information please contact me, and thanks again for your tips and your help. I will begin to source some of my findings. Loaves 14:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I have added some additional references. Please let me know if the subject still satisfies WP:V. -- Loaves 19:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Subject talk is also available for discussion should that be your preference -- Loaves 20:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. References in the article are webforums and websites controlled by the subject of the article. There's no independent sourcing that establishes notability. If better references can be provided, I'll happily change my position. Geoffrey Spear 20:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
  • (Copy&Paste from Subject talk) Thank you for the continued help. Would Mr. Gregg's book qualify per the specifications of WP:BIO? (Gregg, Steve (1997), Revelation: Four Views: A Parallel Commentary, Thomas Nelson Publishers, ISBN 0840721285). A mild, independent bio is in this book. I am asking if this would qualify. Also please visit this page; per that page, I'm assuming some interest has already been shown for this topic. --Loaves 21:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment - a book written by the subject of an article is not an independent source, and this includes the biographical blurb inserted by the book's publisher (most of which are actually written by the authors themselves). A book written by someone else about the subject would be. Geoffrey Spear 03:28, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Fails WP:RS and thus WP:V. Ohconfucius 06:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Hello all, I appreciate your input. Please extend my time allotment so I can research the subject more fully. And I'll try to get back with you. -- Loaves 20:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Hello all, I'm listing some additional references below:

http://www.methings.com/podcasts/index.php?iid=1166 http://www.christiancomicsinternational.org/pioneers2.html http://www.preteristarchive.com/StudyArchive/g/gregg-steve_revelation.html http://www.aiias.edu/academics/seminary/aass/vol3-2000/bookreviews.pdf

I want to specifically draw your attention to the PDF file. Search for "Steve Gregg." Let me know what your opinion is. -- Loaves 16:33, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep Consider the many riffraffs who have articles. This one is actually reputable and has authored books with ISBNs. You should delete the article if Steve Gregg or colleagues personally make such a request. Lord willing, we can do it.--Patchouli 02:00, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as insufficiently notable. No non-trivial coverage of subject by reliable, third-party published sources. -- Satori Son 05:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Actually, I did thoroughly review the references before I posted my "Delete" opinion above. To do otherwise would have been irresponsible. Specifically, here is what I found:
  1. The www.thenarrowpath.com information is not third-party.
  2. The www.nelsonministryservices.com site, being a directory, is trivial coverage.
  3. The podcast site at tnp.theeggbeater.net is not a reliable, third-party source.
  4. The www.wvss.com site is a forum where anyone can post, and thus not a reliable source.
  5. The podcast site at www.methings.com is not a reliable, third-party source.
  6. The www.christiancomicsinternational.org mini-bio is a trivial mention.
  7. The www.preteristarchive.com site is not a reliable, third-party source.
  8. The www.aiias.edu reference is a trivial mention.
Finally, a search on Google News produces 0 hits for the Steve Gregg here. Thus, Mr. Gregg does not meet the notability requirements of WP:BIO, which requires that "The person has been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person." -- Satori Son 22:43, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.