Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Christian

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. --Coredesat 02:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steve Christian

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Undoubtedly the sex abuse trials were notable, and this person should be covered under that article. However, this person is not independently notable for anything else... So this article should be deleted (also BLP concerns). Best username yet 07:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC) Best username yet 07:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep - as the article says, ignoring everything else about him:

[He] was the Mayor of the Pitcairn Islands, a British dependency in the Pacific Ocean, from 7 December 1999 to 30 October 2004. As such, he was the local head of government of what is the smallest generally recognized country in the world with regard to population

I think the head of government of any country, no matter how small, is notable. Needs a trim of some of the material relating to the trial, though. --Haemo 08:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
    • I didn thik about that, but then I thought that if the Raj still existed, we wouldn't have articles about each of its thousands of rulers. Best username yet 08:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Surely somewhere, out there, in an alternate universe, there is an alternative version of Wikipedia where the sun never set on the British Empire, and the many citizens of the Thousand Nations of the Greater Raj have flamewars over whose Sultan is more important to the Imperial Bureaucracy, because Wikipedia is not paper. --Haemo 08:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - I actually trimmed the heck out of that section, leaving most of it to the linked article on the trials. Hopefully this fixes your concerns. --Haemo 08:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - As has been mentioned before he was the head of a country, and an internationally recognised country at that. In addition those sexual assault accusations made really big news a couple of years ago. Having said that the article needs referenced and sourced. Ben W Bell talk 09:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, as per Ben W Bell. ~ SEEnoEVIL punch the keys 10:11, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep Given that the Pitcairn Islands are generally recognized as a country, this would be on the level of deleting an article on a former president of the Czech Republic, Malawi, or (dare I say) the United States. World leaders are notable, period. Even if the dependency were seen as a political entity on the level of a state or province, he's still notable, since all premiers and governors are also considered notable per WP:BIO. --Charlene 10:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Given the interest and the offices held, this bio is probably a keep. However, I've removed all references to the scandal per WP:BLP as they were unreferenced. Rebuilding with references won't be hard.--Docg 11:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge with Pitcairn sexual assault trial of 2004since per WP:NOT and WP:BLP Wikipedia is not a newspaper or an indiscriminate collection of information. That island is far from a sovereign nation, and an ordinary mayor of a town of 40 does not need a Wikipedia article. He should get appropriate mention in the article on the sex crimes. If his article is kept as a standalone, I added several references in the talk page of the article shich substantiate his conviction, which was removed by Doc from the article on BLP concerns. Edison 20:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I added in those sources, so people can see what the article would look like. --Haemo 21:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 03:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Pitcairn Island is not an independent country, but it is a dependency of its own -- one of about 70 that has its own entry in the CIA World Factbook. It's also the subject of international public attention due to its connection to the Mutiny on the Bounty and its status as (I think) the least populous dependency with a permanent resident population. So Steve Christian, as Pitcairn's head of government, would arguably have qualified for an article under WP:BIO even before he became the subject of a criminal investigation. But the Pitcairn sexual assault trial of 2004 made the news worldwide; I was able to find articles about him through a Google search from every continent except Antarctica. See [1], [2] for example. To delete the article about Steve Christian -- a head of government who was convicted of rape and sentenced to three years in prison -- in hopes of maintaining his privacy would be a misapplication of WP:BLP. --Metropolitan90 03:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Metropolitan. Carlossuarez46 18:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.