Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stefán

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep as disambiguation page. utcursch | talk 05:21, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stefán

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I certainly would agree that Stefán is a nice name, but honestly, is it worth having a wp article on the 9th most popular male name in Iceland, which is nothing more than the Icelandic variant of Stephen or Stephanos? The debate is open. Stefán 01:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

While I am at it, we also have an article on Jón, which is very similar to the one on Stefán. Stefán 01:02, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

• Merge to Stephen and John (name). FrozenPurpleCube 01:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
• Merge as per FrozenPurpleCube. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 01:52, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

  Yes, it is a possibility to merge but what should be merged. Take a look at Stephen, there is no reasonable place in that article for the information that Stefán is the ninth most common male name in Iceland. Surely we are not intending to put the graph showing the distribution of people named Stefán in Iceland according to which year they were born. Then we only have the list of people left. If you take a look at the list of people mentioned in the Stephan article we have a subsection each for saints, royalty and church figures. Finally there is an "Other" subsection with five names, does anybody think it would be a good idea to throw these five or six Icelandic people into that section? Stefán 02:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

  If anything, the variant of the name with the statistic can be merged. Beyond that... well, ain't nothing. =^^= --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 02:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

• Change Leave as a disambiguation page Note that Stephen is already disambiguation page serving the same function, but already combining too many variations of the name such as Stevenson. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 02:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Is there something to disambiguate? --Dennis The Tiger(Rawr and stuff) 02:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes there is. All the people listed in the article with that name. It already is a disambiguation page with a short history of the name. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 04:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to Stephen. JJL 04:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Since I am asking people to look at this article, perhaps people would comment on whether the graphic on the page is of any value. It shows the number of people named Stefán who were alive in the middle of 2005, distributed after the year of birth. It is thus a population pyramid with some random noise. You can sort of guess that the popularity of Stefán has gone down a little bit in the last decades. This falls under WP:NOT#INFO, right? Stefán 05:17, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

  Well I went ahead and removed the image. Stefán 17:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

  I don't think that this is a right step, as the statistics do inform the reader about the decreasing or increasing popularity of the name. I can't see a worthless information here and would be glad, if the image could be replaced in the article. Jón 17:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I have written the article and think, although I am not a experienced user on the English WP, that this ambiguation page should stay as it is. Regard the article "John" and especially John (name) for example: There are many variants of names which have for good reason an own page. It should be done all the same with "Steven", as it is a not very convincing structure of the article. In icelandic wikipedia, each Icelandic name has an article similar to that I have written here (f.e. look at is:Jón). Although they are stubbs, I think, they are fine. You get all the interesting information with one look, and you don't get this in the article Stephen. Best regards, Jón 11:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

The 3000 bot-generated name articles on the Icelandic Wikipedia are useless and I wish I had got a consensus to delete them. As to whether Jón or Stefán can stay as disambiguation pages I have no opinion. They are certainly better than is:Joshua or is:Gnurr. Haukur 14:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per similar decision in the past. Lists by the first names should be discouraged. Pavel Vozenilek 16:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

  Ah, Icelandic is somewhat unusual here in that there are no more last names than there are first names and the first name is the primary one. Thus you often only remember someone's first name when you want to look them up, rarely do you only remember their last name. Haukur 16:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

  • That's exact the reason why the disambiguations should be left here and not included in the other names, IMHO. Jón 16:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

    Hmm. If the page is ket this information should be visible in the text, to avoid people using the page as precedent to create huge lists by first name. Pavel Vozenilek 18:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

    I have edited the article to try and make this clear. Take a look. Stefán 19:23, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 19:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
• Merge both. bibliomaniac15 An age old question... 23:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as a disambiguation page. I started this discussion and I believe that after the changes made to the article and the point raised about Icelandic names that the article should be kept as a disambiguation page between those Icelandic people named Stefán. Stefán 23:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as disambiguation page. - As Stefán already explained it. Jón 13:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.