Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Starfleet Security (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge JodyB _talk 18:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Starfleet Security

Starfleet Security (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

This article does not substantiate any real-world notability for the titular branch/organization. General Starfleet security officers used for comic/dramatic effect is covered in redshirt, and individual characters who have been members of this branch have their own articles. Most of the material here is plot summary and trivia covered elsewhere. The original AfD focused mainly on original research, and I think those issues have been addressed -- however, after whittling it down to just what's presented in dialog in the shows, there isn't much here to sustain notability. The dearth of secondary sources on this topic supports this: there is no "Starfleet Security" entry in the Star Trek Encyclopedia -- by no means a 100 percent thorough text, but it's telling that the group isn't worth mentioning, or there isn't enough substance to mention, in this fan-targeted publication. --EEMeltonIV 20:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

• Keep or perhaps a merge redshirt to here. Wikipedia can and should cover articles on Star Trek more throughly than an outdated Star Trek Encyclopedia which was restricted to paper. By this I do not mean WP:OR synthesis of course. Plenty of information on star trek is covered on the show itself which is more than a reliable primary source. -- Cat ^chi? 20:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
  • For anything significant in this article (probably the two [uncited] sentences in the TOS section), I'd support your initial suggestion of moving it to Redshirt (character) rather than vice versa. The "redshirt" stock figure is a more generalizable, real-world term. Even the Star Trek fan film about these security types is titled "Redshirt Blues". --EEMeltonIV 20:38, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
    • It is really a flawed approach to request "real world" implications of something purely cultural. Merge to Starfleet sounds OK to be but this article was forked out of Starfleet as it was getting too long. So in that context I am confused. -- Cat ^chi? 10:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
      • Actually, not only is the request for real world context not flawed, it is required. Please read WP:WAF and WP:FICT. Jay32183 19:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
• Merge to Starfleet. JJL 21:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete The article doesn't have secondary sources to establish real world context. Jay32183 02:17, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
• Merge As stated above. This material in this article should not be deleted but it could exist elsewhere as stated above. Martin-C 02:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
• merge as above Kripto 01:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.