Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St Louis Grammar School

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, and there are two reasons why. "All schools are inherently notable" arguments were disregarded because no reasons were given for why. Secondly, part of this is unverifiable. The article may be recreated if these issues are resolved. --Coredesat 04:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] St Louis Grammar School

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Article about an elementary school. No evidence of notability. Valrith 05:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

*Delete. No assertion of notability. The editor doesn't even state what country the school is in, let alone what city. Vote changed to Weak Keep It is not an elementary school. "Grammar School" only means elementary school in a few countries, such as the United States. I Googled after I made my vote: this is a private school in Kilkeel, Northern Ireland for students up to 18, so the equivalent of an American high school.[1] Apparently it's well over 50 years old so may qualify as notable under WP:SCHOOL --Charlene 05:49, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Weak Keep as long as criteria can be met for WP:SCHOOL. Someone needs to go through the work to do this, though. -- Tim D 06:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment WP:SCHOOL is not a guideline and almost certainly never will be. JoshuaZ 23:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Perhaps, but it works as far as my opinion goes. -- Tim D 07:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete No assertion of notability (and I don't buy into that BS that all schools are notable that someone always yes in these school AFDs). TJ Spyke 06:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Kavadi carrier 06:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. I have added some material and cleaned it up a bit on the assumption it is St Louis Grammar School in Kilkeel. However it could be the one in Ballymena, also in Northern Island. This has to be resolved before this AfD is closed. If it is not cleared up, it should be deleted. If it is cleared up, I support keeping it and expanding it. High Schools are notable. --Bduke 07:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as a non-notable school with no notable alumni, no team or club which has performed at a national level. Nothing to distinguish this school at all from other schools. JoshuaZ 23:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per JoshuaZ... not like it matters. -- Kicking222 01:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Obviously more important and notable than the average Pokemon character. See Kingler. Unfocused 01:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment**Comment Actually in terms of the number of people whose lives are affected the pokemon easily wins. Furthermore, just because we have bad standards about Pokemon doesn't justify them for other things. JoshuaZ 01:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete or expand so it is more than a directory listing. Not every school is so notable it needs its own encyclopedia article. It could be mentioned in an article about the geograpic area. Edison 03:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete all non-notable schools! In the absence of that, start with this one. Montco 06:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per JoshuaZ. Encyclopedia people, not a repository for a content-free stub on every school on the planet. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - school is already mentioned in Kilkeel. Add a little bit more information in the latter article, perhaps, for a proper merger, but delete this article or change to a redirect. --JohnDBuell 18:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep this is a high school, which have an extremely strong precedent for retention. Article makes explicit claims of notability in terms of alumnus and athletic achievement. Alansohn 19:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep for my usual reasons. Nominator misunderstands the non-US definition of a grammar school. This is a selective secondary school. -- Necrothesp 00:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Cribcage 05:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment Is there some reason that you are saying that? Remember, AfD is not a vote. JoshuaZ 05:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, meets all content policies. Certainly, there has been no assertion otherwise in this AFD. Christopher Parham (talk) 19:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per above comments, article makes explicit claims of notability as noted by Alansohn. Silensor 23:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keeeeeeep It is a school, it is noteworthy, it is a valuable source of information, it would be in any encylopedia if they had the space and time to write it - why is this AfD here? --Mike 18:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
    • What makes you think that it is noteworthy and that it would be included in "any encyclopedia if they had the space"? JoshuaZ 19:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Joshuaz, I simply use the criteria that I would expect to find the entry. All schools appear in numerous official guides, they appear on local information sites, they have a huge local audience, and they contain probably the biggest user group for Wikipedia. The only reason I can see for not having schools, is their huge number, but there is a clear policy (WP:?) that says this is not a reason to prevent entries. --Mike 20:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Having a huge local audience isn't very relevant. So does every car dealership and movie theater, nor is having a large user group an assertion of being noteworthy. JoshuaZ 04:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete nn school. Carlossuarez46 22:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per all of the valid arguments above.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 06:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Arbusto 06:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete unremarkable school Catchpole 12:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.