Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Croix (store)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. Deathphoenix ʕ 15:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] St. Croix (store)

Does not seem to meet WP:CORP. Even here in the UK where we do things on a much smaller scale, a group of 12 shops is not notable! - Delete.BlueValour 17:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment by creator - Like most luxury stores, St. Croix is no exception. Why do we have a page on Jimmy Choo? They have 8 stores in the US. Why do we have a Bulgari page? Why a Salvatore Ferragamo page? Both companies have less than 10 boutiques nationwide. Oscar de la Renta and Carolina Herrera both have 3 stores in the US. Henri Bendel has 2 stores in the US. Like all luxury fashion corporations, most of them have very few stores. It meets this criteria: The company or corporation has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the company itself. The corporation is often discussed in Esquire, GQ, WWD, Fashion Week Daily and Lucky (magazine) --Shrek05 17:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - the comparisons are not valid; Jimmy Choo is a designer while Bulgari have a worldwide reach of 150 stores. The media references need to be sourced with specific articles which they are not. In any event, a large part of the article will need to be deleted as POV or advertising. BlueValour 21:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. From the article, it appears as though these stores are spread out across the USA, which usually is a trait of a luxury store. Although I've personally never heard of it, I don't suppose that makes it reasonable to vote against it. - Corbin ^{Be excellent} 21:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. advertisement. Fails WP:CORP, in particular not having multiple non-trivial articles. I find catalog listings, product listing, and occasional product mentions (press releases). Can't find the articles mentioned by Shrek05. Tychocat 21:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The creator used poor examples. This brand is more like kate spade and Dooney and Bourke, both midscale luxury brands that have a decent name in the US but arent as popular worldwide. When the kate spade article started it had less than 6 stores in the US but had over 150 mill in revenue. This is exactly the same as St. Croix, which is featured in many of those articles, the reason you probably can't find them is becuase you dont have subscriptions to the magazines that the creator mentioned. I would say it isnt in Lucky as much though, most commonly talked about in GQ. But like most luxury stores, this is no exception, unless you want to go through all of wikipedia deleting lotsa articles on luxury stores (the two Ive already mentioned would fall under this category). Similarly, the only thing i see that is POV is about the clientele, everything else seems neutral--Sarasote 00:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment POV include 'leading name', 'noted for their high quality of wool' (noted by whom?), the comparative pricing etc. All may be true but need sourcing to remain. BlueValour 01:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep. The fact that the article is poorly written and reads like an advert is not a reason to delete. Even one location was not listed correctly which leads me to believe that is from some company produced material. The fact that so many of the malls they are located in have articles is a plus. Probably needs a good cleanup to not read like an advert. Vegaswikian 07:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Changed a bit, its not from a company material, only thing is what materials they used because i cant find an article the exactly says the materials and since i cant just say "if you go to the store you will see the tags" so thats the only place to source it. but the Desert Passage is inside the Aladdin Hotel, it wasnt wrong, just yours is more specified. If anyone has suggestions on how to improve the article, let me know. --Shrek05 20:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

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