Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spencer Harris

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.. - Philippe 02:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spencer Harris

Spencer Harris (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Delete. No notability. Jaymacdonald (talk) 15:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean no notability! That's taking the p**s! He's only just been named in the blooming squad! He actually plays for the team, so that's notability enough for me, it will also be confirmed if he plays against Tranmere Rovers tomorrow. JRRobinson (talk) 15:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Can you added verifiable references and citations? Jaymacdonald (talk) 16:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete: There is no references, and no such thing as the "Coca-Cola league" anywhere. Dwilso 19:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - actually a quick Gsearch gives this hit [1]  – ukexpat (talk) 19:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Reference from local paper, online edition [2] and plenty of others from a properly formed Gsearch. ukexpat (talk) 19:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
  • This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Neutral for now A single, trivial mention in a local newspaper is insufficient to establish notability and being named in the squad does not meet the WP:Athlete criteria of having played in a fully professional league but I'm happy to hold off to see if he does plays at the weekend. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:46, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Changed to delete as he was an unused substitute today and fails the criteria for notability and WP:Athlete. The article can of course be easily resurrected if he does ever make a first-team appearance but for now, all we have is an article about someone for who the highlight of his sporting career has been sitting on the bench. That's not a notable sportsperson. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 16:44, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. Per comments by Ukexpat. Those sources should be added to the article.Insearchofintelligentlife (talk) 01:49, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Quite clearly fails WP:BIO#Athletes as, contrary to comment above, he hasn't played for the team! Of course, if he does play later today, then keep, but thats all WP:CRYSTAL for now. пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Obvious keep. On the squad of a team in the third-highest league in England. Stifle (talk) 14:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Just being in the squad diesn't mean the article should be kept. Other articles like Danny Welbeck have been deleted even though they have been on the bench. He is on the bench today, and if he comes on then it will definately be a keep. Eddie6705 (talk) 14:29, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

*Keep I'm sorry but this whole thing seems so silly to me. If he is on the team then he is going to play eventually in the sometime near future. Why delete the article now if it will just be re-created in a matter of months, days, or as it happens hours.Divinediscourse (talk) 19:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

editor blocked indef as a sockpuppet by Casliber per [3] DGG (talk) 06:23, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
    • "If he is on the team then he is going to play eventually in the sometime near future" - please could you confirm exactly how you know this to be an absolute fact? At the club I support there have been players who have been on professional contracts for anything up to two years but still wound up being "let go" without ever getting onto the pitch.... ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Exactly - a classic example of violating WP:CRYSTAL. Plenty of players with a squad number have never made an appearance and drifted into obscurity. Until the guy plays a game, for all we know he may do the same. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete, re-create if he plays in a professional league ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete fails WP:ATHLETE. --Angelo (talk) 11:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - I believe there have been a few cases where players with squad numbers for a team in a nation's top league have been considered notable for that reason alone. In those cases I think we considered "announcing this player has a squad number" to be analogous to, for example, "announcing a video game will be released in the near future" (the official announcement being enough to make the topic no longer violate WP:CRYSTAL). But Huddersfield is not in the EPL so that doesn't apply here. ugen64 (talk) 01:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Current consensus at the WP:FOOTBALL project is that, even in the Premier League, merely being given a squad number is not a reason by itself to keep an article...... ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. How can this be deleted when the offical Hudderfield Town website has this player in there first team squad. If this page is deleted then this will obviously affect the Huddersfield Town F.C#Current squad page, as the Squad will be missing a player!. How has this gone this far?
See the offical Hudderfield town website [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockybiggs (talk • contribs) 14:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Nobody is suggesting his name be removed from the squad list on the club's page. ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Well it will be a blank link then, either way, referring back to my points its on the offical Hudderfield website. When there are pages for people like Breanna Conrad, surely this should be kept. --Rockybiggs (talk) 15:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - the WP:ATHLETE guideline requires that a player (in any sport) has to have actually played, not just been named as part of a squad. Black links in squad lists are perfectly acceptable - see for example Gillingham F.C.#Current squad, which has two. And comparisons to American reality TV stars are wholly irrelevant..... ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Disagree, with that guideline Victor Moses would have been deleted, for not playing a game for Crystal Palace earlier in the season, but yet represented England U17 in Korea before his Crystal Palace debut.--Rockybiggs (talk) 15:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
That player was part of a mass AfD which was withdrawn due to the nomination being a malformed mess. If he'd been nominated alone and the AfD had run its course then I suspect that, yes, his article would have been deleted for failing to meet WP:ATHLETE..... ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


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