Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sony Ericsson W600

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep --Stephen 04:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sony Ericsson W600

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Non-notable mobile phone. Wikipedia is not a cell phone catalog. Wikpiedia is not a Sony Ericson catalog.

Because few substantial references are available to support a viable Wikipedia article, we're left with this article, which contains original research, dubious and unclear claims, trivia, how-to information, and so on -- all unreferenced.

Listing at AfD because {{prod}} was removed with the comment "notable - first ever walkman phone by sony". I don't think being the first prodcut to re-use a brand name is notable. Further, having "Walkman features" isn't described by the article, and is not obvious. I expect it just means that the phone plays music, and it's certainly not the first phone to do that. Even if it was (or really is the first Sony phone to play music), being the first prodcut to do something, particularly in a crowded market where features change so frequently, is a claim to notabilty. Being the only phone to have a particular feature might be notable, but I don't see that claimed here. Mikeblas (talk) 23:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Wikipedia may not be a cellphone catalogue, but it does seem to have articles on every cellphone. I guess I just don't understand why this is any different to the Sony Ericsson W580 -- alex.muller (talk) 23:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• Comment WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not an effective or convincing argument for keeping any particular article. Each should, on its own, have demonstrable notability in addition to verifiability. Numerous poor articles about cell phones have in fact been deleted, such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sony Ericsson T650 (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LG U8380 and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sony Ericsson W960. Others have been merged to the article about the parent company, such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sony Ericsson K608i. Some have been kept. Edison (talk) 07:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as per this is useful information and Wikipedia has many other articles containing information like this on celluar phones. What's the difference between this article and something like the iPhone? Whether it's as "popular" or not, you can't deny the fact that the Ericsson series of mobile phones are notable. ~NeonFire372~ (talk) 23:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep for now - however, possibly merge the articles to create Sony Ericsson W series if more secondary sources aren't included. Addhoc (talk) 23:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Notability is not a deletion criterion --Ryan Delaney ^talk 02:07, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

  Comment Please stop your counterfactual claims in numerous AFDs that notability is not a criterion for deletion. It most certainly is and has been the basis for countless deletions. Read the policy WP:DEL#REASON which says "Reasons for deletion include, but are not limited to, the following:.."Subject fails to meet the relevant notability guideline (WP:N, WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:CORP and so forth)." Edison (talk) 06:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep and stop nominating cell phone articles for deletion, please. If we want to change our practice regarding cell phone articles we should do that at the policy / guiddeline level and not keep dealing with ad hoc deletion nominations. Wikidemo (talk) 02:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Fails to show that this one particular cell phone is notable. Lacks multiple references from reliable and independent sources with substantial coverage. Wikipedia is not a place to have articles about every product some company makes, regardless of whether it has gained attention in the press or other reliable and independent sources. As for the demand that AFDs for cell phones cease, AFDs are a forum wherein editors may create the "facts on the ground" which are the basis for the guidelines and policies. We do not have a Wikipedia Senate which creates policies at some Olympian level. Edison (talk) 07:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Being the first Walkman phone seems significant and so the article seem capable of expansion from its current stubby form. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:42, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Question. If being a "Walkman phone" is significant and goes to notability, why does the article not even define that term, or link to a definition of it? -- Mikeblas (talk) 23:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep, suggest Speedy Close per WP:SNOW Precedent has shown that cell phones, electronic communication devices used by millions worldwide, are notable. Should we delete articles relating to the Blackbury, Sidekick, Chocolate, Iphone, or RAZR? I think not. This article should be kept. --Sharkface217 20:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Precedent has also been set for deleting phones, too; see the links that Edison provided above. (Looks like you're also unfamiliar WP:WAX, so you'll want to read that, too.) -- Mikeblas (talk) 23:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep notably the first Walkman phone by Sony. Article meets the 3 core content policies WP:NOR, WP:NPOV and WP:V.
  On another point I think perhaps taking the mobile phones issue up to policy level may be a better way of getting things done, or perhaps a mass AfD. Also WP:WAX is not a guideline is not a policy and is just a point of view. EJF (talk) 21:09, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.