Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonic Riders 2

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. This gets over the two-thirds level and the crystal-ballery arguments do seem sound. BorgHunter's comment appears to deal with another article altogether. -Splash^talk 17:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sonic Riders 2

(My vote is Delete)The guy only said it might happen. The Game is just as planned as Sonic the Hedgehog Revolution. Ac1983fan 19:29, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Disagree And I can give you a few reasons why the article should stay:

1. Even if it is a rumor, it shouldn't be deleted until someone can bring forth evidence that the game is not being produced. (Right now all evidence points to its creation.) If not it could still be developed as a rumored game that didn't come about, like the Sonic Crackers article, and would improve Wikipedia.
2. You can't get more definite than "definitely yes".

   [1] Speaking at a press event in London this week, Yuda-san told Eurogamer, "there will be a sequel to Sonic Riders, and it will definitely be on PS3 and Xbox 360". Definitely, we responded, parrot-like to the last? "Yes."

   Besides in the article quoted it was dependent on Sonic Riders being successful, which it has been.

3. That "the Game is just as planned as Sonic the Hedgehog Revolution" is not concrete rationale because Sonic Riders has actually come out, unlike the PS3 and 360 editions of Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 game). (said games are dependent on advertised earlier games so mentioned.)
4. Unless I'm mistaken, shouldn't this have been discussed on the Sonic Riders 2 talk page before adding {{afd}} like that?

--DavidHOzAu 11:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Disagree Now that this is already an article, it makes no sense to delete it only to create one once again in the future. Since Sega started to release Sonic games ever year, this game shouldn't be that far off in the future. Lord Falcon 01:09, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per DavidHOzAu. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 09:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete This same situation was discussed for the Zelda DS article just a few days ago. The result was to delete. The reasoning is that currently there's just not enough information for these kinds of announcements to warrant their own articles. There's nothing in this article that couldn't just be said in one or two sentences on the Sonic Riders page. Until there's more information other than "it's a game that will probably come out sometime" this article does not fit Wikipedia's standards of inclusion. See: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 21:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete At this point, I agree with TheKoG, there is almost no real information on the game other than a mention in the interview; Takashi Yuda only said there'd be a sequel, he didn't even name it, the source article just assumed it'd be "Sonic Riders 2". There's even a list of "confirmed" characters, when no such list was released by Sega, it's speculation. -- VederJuda 00:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Spore (computer game) exists. Why not this? —BorgHunter ^ubx (talk) 16:20, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Because there's actually verifiable information about Spore. Read the article, it's not made-up information like the majority of this article. The only thing that's verifiable about Sonic Riders 2 is that the creator said something along the lines of "we're working on it." That is not enough information to base a Wikipedia article on. You might find reading WP:NOT helpful. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 16:24, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Only verifiable information is "the creator said this would happen". Not yet enough to justify an article. Deserves a line in Sonic Riders, nothing more. This article is intrinsically original research by virtue of the fact that its very title is a guess. --Sam Blanning (formerly Malthusian) (talk) 15:46, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not a crystal-ball. The burden of proof that there will be such a game lies with the article. Since it fails to establish its existence, it is a clear delete. Bucketsofg 16:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete. This is a very clear case of crystal ballism, with a little WP:OR thrown in besides. I quote from the article: This could mean that Sonic Riders 2 may not be going to Nintendo Revolution and there making an entirely new Sonic Riders sequel taking advantage of the unique controller or it could mean something entirely different like a port. Sure, it could mean that. The article itself states that it's not clear this game will ever exist, and in any case the only evidence supporting this is a series of interviews. No established name, no release date, we don't even know for sure which console it will be released for! --Deville (Talk) 16:56, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, crystall ball. We know nothing beyond "the game may exist in some form in the future." As far as "Even if it is a rumor, it shouldn't be deleted until someone can bring forth evidence that the game is not being produced"... no, the article should not be created until someone can bring forth evidence that the game is being produced. --Kinu ^t/_c 17:57, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete All we know is that this game is planed. We have no idea as to when it will be released or what the game will be like. Right know there is not enough hard info to justify a separate article. Seano1 03:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. There are cancelled games in the Sonic series that are notable and have articles. Heck, who knows if space elevators will ever become real? I hear what all the delete votes are saying, but a large number of keepable articles feature a ton of sourced speculation (such as for one of the very systems the game may come out for.) I think we often forget that. As long as official sources say such a game is being planned, I think it can remain here at least for the time being. Grandmasterka 00:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. One comment from the producer of the original game just isn't enough to base a seperate article on. A section in the Sonic Riders article about a possible sequel already exists, and essentially has the same information. If more concrete info comes out, the article can always be recreated. BryanG 00:50, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Bryan. --Khoikhoi 02:12, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Grandmasterka. --real_decimic 22:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• keep but please remove the unverifiable Yuckfoo 09:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Not even enough speculation to warrant an article. - Hahnchen 08:17, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - This game was only rumoured. Yuda was probably talking about a port to next-gen consoles. Like other people said, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Shadoman 00:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete/Merge into Sonic Riders per BryanG -M^ask 00:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.