Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonic's Rendezvous Band

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The result was Keep. - Smerdis of Tlön 13:39, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sonic's Rendezvous Band

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WP:N; WP:RS. From the article itself: "They remained virtually unknown, but their one and only single retained high interest among fans of high energy rock and roll/ Detroit rock. A badly recorded bootleg LP called Strikes Like Lightning was traded in the 1980s." Has been a stub since mid-2005 without a single reliable source being added. THF 04:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

• Strong delete, perhaps a speedy A7, just not a notable band if no one wants to expand it... Make sure to nuke the image too. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 04:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep with the connection to the Rolling Stone list, which may be just enough to sustain notability. Article still needs work. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 04:38, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Nom didn't seem to read the article closely. It says they eventually became notable with the release of two albums that were sold out, one member was even listed on Rolling Stone's Top 100 Guitarists of All Time. Apparently popular enough to get a 2006 rerelease. Appears multiple people have updated the page. Needs work, not deletion. - Cyborg Ninja 04:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment Please WP:AGF. I did read the article, and don't think that a small press released a small run of reprints to completists creates notability. And see Fred Sonic Smith. This band didn't make the Rolling Stone list, Smith's other band did. This band isn't the notable one. And it surely can't be the case that a member of a notable band's other projects automatically get notability, because that way lies every high-school band on Wikipedia through attenuated bootstrapping. THF 05:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:MUSIC#C6 disagrees with "contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable". Although a case could be made for merging the info to the notable band a member of this band went on to join, that can't really be done because more than one member (in fact, most) of this band were in other notable bands. Furthermore, the Rolling Stone was a list of "Great Guitarists", not "Guitarists in really popular bands", so it was the person listed on article, not the band he was with at the time. Upon further review, yes, my argument for "If he was mentioned in Rolling Stone, other sources probably exist" is likely very weak -- but I still stand by it. Furthermore, regardless of the Rolling Stone article, WP:MUSIC#C6 is on the side of this article. Spazure 05:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how WP:MUSIC got so watered down that it now contradicts WP:N, but apparently it has. It didn't used to read "any one of the following criteria"; those criteria were guidelines for whether a subject was likely to have independent reliable sources that would allow it to meet WP:N. But apparently inclusionists have gotten hold of it; I won't reargue that here if the rules have changed and people think it more important to follow WP:MUSIC rather than WP:N and WP:RS. It's still a mystery to me why Wikipedia has much softer standards for musicians than for writers. Authors who have sold a million books are absent from Wikipedia, but resources are devoted to bands that haven't sold ten thousand albums. THF 05:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Article needs better sourcing, sure, but a band's guitarist doesn't get mentioned in Rolling Stone if there isn't sufficient notability out there somewhere. This band was pre-mainstream-internet, so sources may be difficult to locate, but they're certainly out there. Also, dare I mention WP:MUSIC#C6 and review Scott Aston and Stooges. WP:MUSIC says "any one of the following criteria", so extensive coverage isn't required (though it'd be handy to add when/if it's found) Spazure 04:39, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - The article claims notability through the band's members and the fact that interest in it was apparently rekindled in the late 1990s. The article says that both albums released then quickly sold out. I'd like clearer sources, but I don't think we can call it non-notable. (edit conflict - also per comment directly above mine.)--Danaman5 04:38, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletions. -- the wub "?!" 11:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, strongly. This band had members of first rank notability, including Fred Sonic Smith from the MC5, and Scott Asheton of the Stooges. As such, it easily meets WP:MUSIC. - Smerdis of Tlön 19:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep There is more interest now about SRB than there has been in years, and it would seem strange that a band honored with a six disc box set by a notable UK reissue label should not be considered "worthy" of a Wikipedia listing. Given the historical importance of the members -- especially Fred Sonic Smith -- and the fact Scott Morgan, Scott Asheton and Gary Rasmussen are all still musically active, it would be little short of absurd to remove this listing. Marklansing 14:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
• KeepSTRONGLY. There seems to be a singular proponent for deletion...What prompts a deletion from a work of information? Debate and discussion? The importance and influence of SRB, in an article, is something that can be discernible and discussed... that is relevancy enough, to prove the importance of keeping the article. Poltically motivated cencorship is never an answer, to good knowledge. "THE" John Dunne4.229.48.139
• Keep - The article needs to be cleaned up a bit, but the band has an important place in the history of punk rock. Though they never released an LP during their existence, the band's influence was enormous on many bands of the punk era, not to mention garage bands like the Hellacopters. There's no reason why the article needs to be deleted. The reason of "no reliable source given" is erroneous; much of the information comes from the official band website. --Drifting182 17:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
• (Originally incorrectly placed on talk page.--Danaman5) KeepStrong This was a great band with members that are still active, it would be silly to delete this! Studio457 17:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

This is the only edit from this user.--Danaman5 19:10, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - evidently notable per WP:MUSIC 67.101.38.83 22:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC) (Oops, I'll try logging in before posting Palnu 22:04, 30 July 2007 (UTC))
• Permission to close - Consensus appears to be overwhelming, and I'll withdraw my objection to save others time. THF 22:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Very wise. This band notably backed Iggy Pop on his TV Eye tour in 1978 internationally. Wwwhatsup 06:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

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