Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonia Sui
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep --JForget 02:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Sonia Sui
- Sonia Sui doesn't appear in the cast lists of the two series she's supposed to have starred in
- single external link leads to a Chinese language Yahoo login page
- looks to be promoting agency instead of actress/model
(I nom'd this as a speedy but tag was removed) Delicious carbuncle (talk) 01:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Keep seems real and has appeared in several shows; copious ghits. Likely notable, but not listed by this name at Fly Me to Polaris listing on IMDb site [1]. Err on side of keeping. JJL (talk) 01:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Keep - Comment As the person who started this article, I thought this guy was a bot for a sec. All he/she did was tagging articles. He/She wanted it for speedy delete, got rejected and now try again. Let me tell you something, I have stated in the discussion section as well as here that I have been doing translating work from Chinese Wiki to English for quite some time now. In fact, I am about to start another 2 more related models who are also actresses in Taiwan. Just look at my personal page, I have been translating Taiwanese TV programs, actresses, actors, TV Hosts...What? You want to nominate them all? I don't know why that "Fan Club" page doesn't work, because I am just translating! About that show, she was only in a few episodes, if you look under the Chinese Wiki, you will see her name & again, just translating. *EDIT* Also, I would like to point out that I have already explained my positions on the page's Discussion section, and it was also rejected for speedy delete. I don't understand why I have to defend my position on this issue 1 more time. TheAsianGURU (talk) 05:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- It is pretty much standard procedure to nominate something for AfD if a speedy deletion tag is removed. The criteria for speedy deletion are quite narrow; articles which do not meet those criteria may nevertheless still be unsuitable for an encyclopedia. You don't counter requests for deletion by talking about how it was already on another language version of Wikipedia, you counter requests for deletion by providing evidence of notability. We shouldn't be translating unsourced/badly sourced materials (especially not articles about living people) from other language wikis; we should be building them up organically with reference to reliable sources. cab (talk) 07:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you. She’s a well known local celebrity, I would have gone my way out to find more stuff, but the person tagged me within 13mins of creation of the article. It kinda kept me “busy” since then. Please also refer to my comment below. Thank you again. TheAsianGURU (talk) 18:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- I went out of my way to list my reasons for nominating as a speedy delete on the talk page because I don't speak Chinese and realized there may be ghits that I can't interpret one way or the other. My reasons for listing it as CSD and here are given above and are valid. If you had a comment for me, AsianGURU, you could have left it on my talk page, instead of on the articles talk page, so that I would see it. The CSD wasn't denied, it was removed by User:RMHED, who does not appear to be an admin. I relisted it here, because I thought it better to get other editors involved than start an argument. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- "Start an Argument"?? Who is the person wasting our time here?! For all these time, I could have been improving the article! (or maybe find out why the fan club site doesn't work, instead, I am here to defend my position 1 more time so that people & me can later on improve this article.) Talking about leaving messages, did you ever come in and left me a message to start with??!! On the page's Discussion section, I have already stated my positions. How am I "promoting" if I am writing the same thing as the Chinese Wiki?! (Hey, maybe you should go over there & tag that too.) I know you don't read Chinese, but did you go out your way to find out if I am writing the same thing? At the very least, Google Translate anyone? Take a look at the history section of Sonia Sui's page. I created the article at 22:46, 5 February 2008, this guy came in & tagged the article at 22:59, 5 February 2008. Within only 13mins! That's why I kept thinking I got hit by a bot. Did Delicious carbuncle alow time for me/any fellow wikipendian to improve the article? NO! Did Delicious carbuncle have any in-depth understand on who this person is? NO! Did Delicious carbuncle even do a search with the person's Chinese name and see how many results show up? NO! Thumbs up buddy. TheAsianGURU (talk) 18:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm not sure why I was concerned about starting an argument... The article looked spammy (as did the linked agency page) and the references didn't check out (I know because I checked them, unlike you), so I tagged it CSD. I think part of the issue here is that you seem to be translating articles without looking at their quality. Your earlier statements above about "just translating" ring truer than your protest about spending time defending the page, which is entirely unnecessary in an AfD like this. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Quotes from Delicious carbuncle - "The article looked spammy" Sorry about my writing skill, I will improve later. Oh wait, you tagged it within 13mins of its creation, screaming I am "promoting" an agency. "(I know because I checked them, unlike you)" Oh thank you, is that all you did in that 13mins apart from tagging the article and came to a conclusion that I am "promoting"?! "Your earlier statements above about "just translating" ring truer than your protest about spending time defending the page, which is entirely unnecessary in an AfD like this." Then why did you tag it? Why did you start this? How about sending a message getting myside of the story? How about sending a message asking me to fix stuff or this would be issued? How about getting others to help? How about even do a search on your own? You kept on saying I did nothing, that's because you tagged it within 13mins of its creation! I have researched/translated many articles on Wiki --- Humiliation of Jingkang (I improved the article from 10 lines to what it is today.), Lord Mengchang of Qi (I started the article from 0 word!) Way to go man. TheAsianGURU (talk) 19:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm not sure why I was concerned about starting an argument... The article looked spammy (as did the linked agency page) and the references didn't check out (I know because I checked them, unlike you), so I tagged it CSD. I think part of the issue here is that you seem to be translating articles without looking at their quality. Your earlier statements above about "just translating" ring truer than your protest about spending time defending the page, which is entirely unnecessary in an AfD like this. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- "Start an Argument"?? Who is the person wasting our time here?! For all these time, I could have been improving the article! (or maybe find out why the fan club site doesn't work, instead, I am here to defend my position 1 more time so that people & me can later on improve this article.) Talking about leaving messages, did you ever come in and left me a message to start with??!! On the page's Discussion section, I have already stated my positions. How am I "promoting" if I am writing the same thing as the Chinese Wiki?! (Hey, maybe you should go over there & tag that too.) I know you don't read Chinese, but did you go out your way to find out if I am writing the same thing? At the very least, Google Translate anyone? Take a look at the history section of Sonia Sui's page. I created the article at 22:46, 5 February 2008, this guy came in & tagged the article at 22:59, 5 February 2008. Within only 13mins! That's why I kept thinking I got hit by a bot. Did Delicious carbuncle alow time for me/any fellow wikipendian to improve the article? NO! Did Delicious carbuncle have any in-depth understand on who this person is? NO! Did Delicious carbuncle even do a search with the person's Chinese name and see how many results show up? NO! Thumbs up buddy. TheAsianGURU (talk) 18:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- It is pretty much standard procedure to nominate something for AfD if a speedy deletion tag is removed. The criteria for speedy deletion are quite narrow; articles which do not meet those criteria may nevertheless still be unsuitable for an encyclopedia. You don't counter requests for deletion by talking about how it was already on another language version of Wikipedia, you counter requests for deletion by providing evidence of notability. We shouldn't be translating unsourced/badly sourced materials (especially not articles about living people) from other language wikis; we should be building them up organically with reference to reliable sources. cab (talk) 07:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Keep as there's plenty of news coverage about her [2][3][4], which should be used to improve this article instead of adding even more unreferenced zhwiki content to it. cab (talk) 07:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions. cab (talk) 07:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Keep per sources that User:CaliforniaAliBaba ("cab") found. But her name does not even appear on the cast list of Fly Me To Polaris on HKMDB. So someone needs to back up that claim or remove it from the article. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- OK. I will edit it out along with the "Fan Club" that Delicious carbuncle "helped" so much then. Thanks for your support.TheAsianGURU (talk) 19:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC) Done. TheAsianGURU (talk) 20:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Listing your article for Afd wasn't personal. We're all working toward the same goal. Please stop being uncivil. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know...Anyone can create a sockpuppet in no time. Explain to me how "we are working towards the same goal" at the moment? TheAsianGURU (talk) 17:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- If you think I'm somebody's sockpuppet, please report me. I assume all editors are here to improve the overall quality of WP, but I'm not here for a debate. Please stop being uncivil, or I will take this to an admin. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know...Anyone can create a sockpuppet in no time. Explain to me how "we are working towards the same goal" at the moment? TheAsianGURU (talk) 17:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- Listing your article for Afd wasn't personal. We're all working toward the same goal. Please stop being uncivil. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- OK. I will edit it out along with the "Fan Club" that Delicious carbuncle "helped" so much then. Thanks for your support.TheAsianGURU (talk) 19:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC) Done. TheAsianGURU (talk) 20:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Keep She meets the notability guidelines. RMHED (talk) 21:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. It meets notability and verifiability. Snake66 (talk) 11:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
