Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sommi

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The result was Speedy delete - a combination of incoherence/nonsense claims , attack (a6) note the references to "clit and tit", totally unsourced allegations of womanizing, tawdriness, etc, and also notability (a7) is somewhat asserted but not very clearly. Is bordering on a vandalism page. And finally, it was going to get deleted anyway by overwhleming consensus. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 05:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Sommi

Attention Closing Admins!

The entire mess below only contains 11 votes (10 delete , 1 keep), so it's not actually as bad as it first looks! The rest is mostly spam, primarily originating from a (now banned) single-purpose account and repeat blatant vandal user:Hanseh, and a few anon accounts (presumably his sockpuppets). To see a version of this discussion that ONLY CONTAINS THE VOTES without comments/exposition, please see this link. Your attention is appreciated. My Alt Account 04:46, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


Originally deleted as a speedy and reposted; I re-nominated it as a speedy, but after considering author's argument on the talk page, I decided it's not actually a speedy candidate. In any case, I still think it should be deleted. Author compares sommi to Emil Christensen, but has not actually provided any outside sources which the latter has. My vote is Delete and protect against recreation. Danny Lilithborne 05:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I have added official links to the tournaments he participated in. Outside sources have been added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanseh (talk • contribs)

Note from the real sommi: This is Sam "sommi" Abdow and I give permission for this user to establish a biography on my famous Counter-strike career, which has spread throughout Sydney and the rest of Australia. I also condone the use of listing my personal acheievements and also making references to my career.

  • Comment It's not a matter of permission. Danny Lilithborne 05:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

What is it a matter of then? Could you please tell me. "but has not actually provided any outside sources which the latter has." I've provided many outside sources now, are you willing to change your mind? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanseh (talk • contribs)

Keep it. Sommi is a good friend of mine, he will want his achievements to live on forever. - Monique. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.79.238 (talk • contribs)

    • Note: Above is user's first contribution to Wikipedia. Danny Lilithborne 05:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment' No. I still don't think he's notable. This discussion needs more people to weigh in. Danny Lilithborne 05:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy and salt the earth. Enough already. My Alt Account 07:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

"Sportspeople/athletes who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports, including college sports in the United States."
Sommi has played in a fully professional league, named the Electronic Sports World Cup, as well as the CPL http://www.thecpl.com/, Cyberalthete Professional League. He has participated in the highest level of e-sports, online and at various lan competitions.
"Above is user's first contribution to Wikipedia." How is that in anyway relevent? It's actually sommi, and he's making a fair, and calm comment.
"Notable actors and television personalities who have appeared in well-known films or television productions." - Sommi has appeared in various Counter-Strike movies including "AusLegacy 2006", "PIL Season 1 (pantheon invite league)", each with countless thousands of downloads. If you require a link, I will find you it.
"Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events" - As already stated, sommi has achieved renown or notoriety in his field of expertise.

i know sommi, he's reknown in australia, this is an accurate page about him - Jeremy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.133.73.2 (talk • contribs)  :Forged signature by User:Hanseh. --ColourBurst 19:32, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, why is this page up for deletion? He's very well known in australian counter-strike. - Danny —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.79.176 (talk • contribs)  :Forged signature by User:Hanseh. --ColourBurst 19:32, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

The fact that all these editors know sommi is more reason for this article to be deleted. You friends of sommi should look at WP:VAIN. Also, not to be derisive, but these anons look like sock puppets.
Delete - None of the sources given are real, therefore the entire page violates WP:V. Thus delete - all these people are being jackasses too, so I don't mind crushing their spirit. Fresheneesz 07:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • note above, sources are real. check them yourself. This page does not violate WP:V
  • Comment I support the decision of this wikipedia article. DeegaN_ STEAM_0:0:5639
  • Comment How are the sources given fake? " * Official Sommi website
   * Official Blog of Sommi
   * Official Australian Counter-Strike Forum
   * Home Australian Counter-Strike Forum of sommi
   * ESWC
   * [5] iStarZone Counter-Strike tournaments.
   * [6] IHS Counter-Strike tournaments.
   * [7] CoreGames Counter-Strike tournaments.

" Those links are 100% legit. Check for yourself. Ask any member of the Counter-Strike Community.

None of the links mention sommi. Therefore they don't verify the information on that page. Show me multipe reliable sources that verify anything in the "Other" or "Controversy" header. There is none. Fresheneesz 21:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Note about vandalism in this afd - User:Hanseh just deleted my comments and forged some others. I'm not sure what is the best way to go about restoring the discussion, but will an admin please look into blocking this very fine user? Or would someone familiar with that process give me a hint as to how to get it started? My Alt Account 07:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Alt Account, i'm sorry if i did delete your comment, the page was laggy for me, perhaps your comment didn't update for me? I'm not sure, i didn't mean to delete anything. Furthermore, all i did to the comments was add their ip to the show you that they are separate users from across the country. I asked them personally to give me their ip from www.whatismyip.com and i added the ip on the end as some of them weren't fimliar as to how to add comments properly.

Also, I hope you all consider "An article should not be dismissed as "vanity" simply because the subject is not famous. " from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:VAIN#Does_lack_of_fame_make_a_vanity_article.3F

Oh, apology accepted. And I'm sure your finger just slipped when you did this and this. Have a nice day, and remember to sign your comments. My Alt Account 07:58, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

sommi is easily persuaded by people who have alterior motives and use him in achieving them.

  • Delete not notable. VegaDark 08:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with delete - but non notability is not a good reason. This page violates WP:V plain and simple. None of the links given on that page mention a "sam" or a "sommi" and are mostly just homepage links. These don't verify squat. Fresheneesz 21:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. A search of EBBSCO's Australia New Zealand database comes up with zilch about him. A search for Sommi Counter-strike on Google News archive [1] comes up with nothing. There is very little to verify the contents of this article. Capitalistroadster 03:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 03:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)</small
  • Delete DXRAW 07:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as meeting the Speedy delete criteria. No assertion of passing bigraphical requirements Peripitus (Talk) 07:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete pure vanity. Ohconfucius 08:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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