Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sofia Barletta

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. CitiCat ^♫ 00:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sofia Barletta

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Articles doesn't follow the Wikipedia Notability Guidelines WP:NOTE Wikihonduras 23:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment does this source help her cause? I am troubled by the idea of deleting a non-English language topic, you know, bias and all... Fee Fi Foe Fum 23:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The link is just a table of results. This is the only mention of here name there: "Maria-Jose Arechavaleta, Uruguay, def. Sofia Barletta, Honduras, 6-1, 6-0". Orginally the person's name was listed in her high school's article Escuela_Internacional_Sampedrana as 1 of 3 prominent alumni. It was mentioned there as a semi-pro tennis player who was a student at the highschool. She has since been removed from the list of prominent alumni, under a similar argument as this one. Wikihonduras 00:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

• • Comment Those USA Today results are from the Fed Cup, so it's the same as the external link provided on her article (her Fed Cup Profile). Here is the issue as I perceive it: In the WP:NOTE on athletes, the criteria stated is Competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming or tennis. But, as with the Davis Cup (the male equivalent), players in the Fed Cup are not awarded prize money and many professional players do not participate. They may be paid an appearance fee or a bonus for winning by their respective governments and/or tennis associations, but that's up to those independent entities. So in this case, whether a Fed Cup appearance constitutes professional participation may be a consideration. --Sesameball^Talk 01:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Well isn't this the "world cup" of tennis in the female side? This surely must count like a professional tournament which makes her a professional player. Chupu 04:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC) This also counts as she is a member of the Honduran national tennis squad. What difference does it make if a player that plays in the national Congo soccer team who doesn't play in their premier league with this? Chupu 04:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. It's not a professional tournament for reasons I've stated. Certainly it could be argued that the Fed Cup is a professional-level tournament because of the involvement of WTA players, but Honduras is in the lowest tier of the Americas qualifying and it's unlikely Barletta competed with anyone of WTA caliber. Also, in regard to your soccer comparison - it is my recollection that most national team players of any country only have individual articles if they also play professionally. I suppose the question becomes this: Do we want to support the creation of individual player articles such that national team articles are the only pointer to those player articles, and the only thing in those articles is the sentence "X was born on Y and played for Z." What purpose does that serve? Why isn't simply being on the national team page enough? We sure don't have any other secondary sources for these people. --Sesameball^Talk 06:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Agree. Although the line between amateurism and proffesionalism vary from sport to sport. Being this line less and less relevant today than it was in the past, it could be hardly argued that a participant who has a symbolic participation in a competition which has a cash purse, would be then considered a professional. I believe that is the intent of the guideline of notability for athletes. To differentiate athletes who may a casual participation in a tournament to others who sit at the top of their sport and are remunerated for their participation. Wikihonduras 23:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Caknuck 01:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete inadequate article, unsourced, about insufficiently notable person. Doczilla 03:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Nom doesn't question that she participated in Fed Cup, just notability. Therefore, even if nom is correct about it not being professional, it would count as highest amateur level competition. Would be nice if it were fleshed out more, perhaps refer to the appropriate projects? Horrorshowj 06:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Despite being a top amateur competition, that doesn't necesarily make the person participating in it notable. Some competitions are the top events in many sports yet they are open to basically anyone and many take that opportunity. The Boston Marathon gathers around 28,000 runners (that classified for it), arguably the top event in its category, yet we wouldn't think that each and every runner is notable enough just for that fact alone to have its own Wikipedia page. Same would go for events like the US Open (golf, tennis, etc). It seems like this type of profile is more proper to go into a blog or some other personal page than Wikipedia. Wikihonduras 14:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.