Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Society of the Eternal Rulers

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. howcheng {chat} 17:34, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Society of the Eternal Rulers

Delete. Sounds like irrelevant cruft. Karmafist 01:57, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. A mere 13 Google results, all likely placed by the person(s) who put this article up. 24.76.102.140 02:11, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. How'd you get 13 Google hits? I didn't even get any. -Will

• Eh? I simply did a search for "Society of the Eternal Rulers". Again, none of the results are useful. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk |

• Delete Despite how many Google hits this one got. :-) — Moe ε 03:26, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Google results don't mean anything. This was a BBS door game that was sold in 1995. It's an actual product, and thus should remain in the wikipedia database. MetaFox 11:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep It's a product that was sold. Google hits are irrelevant.--Roofus 16:39, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Old games with few fans don´t usually get enough results. We just need a little clean up by some one who had played it. Javier Jelovcan 17:36, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. This article was made by the creater of the game himself, Metafox. He also made an article about himself (Mickey McMurray) and his own company (Cyberdog_Castle). It seems all these articles are just self-promotion. S Sepp 22:53, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  • What's wrong with posting articles about your own projects when all of the information is relevant? The rules of wikipedia state that creating a page about yourself and your projects are unorthodox, but that it is allowed when the information is relevant. I am a programmer, I started Cyberdog Castle, and I programmed and sold this game in 1995. As was said before, this is an actual product, so why should it be removed? MetaFox 23:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not. Just being an actual product is not sufficient reason for inclusion in wikipedia.S Sepp 23:11, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
      • All of the articles that I have posted about myself and my products are relevant to the other articles that I have posted about other people and their products. This product, for instance, ties into the Dreamcast articles that I have posted. None of my articles are about self-promotion, they're just adding in relevant wikilinks that tie into the other articles that I have written. MetaFox 23:20, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
        • You did call it self-promotion yourself before you edited your own post. [1] S Sepp 23:39, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
          • And I edited because my original post was made quickly using your words, and didn't feel that it was self-promotion at all myself. This is all just pointless bickering now anyway. I already stated my point of view. MetaFox 23:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
            • You're right.S Sepp 23:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Who cares about popularity? It's an actual product, and if someone wants to write an article for it then it should be kept, no questions asked. --atf487 01:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. This user's contributions page does not reflect this addition, which is a little funny. Not an indication of anything, but funny. 24.76.102.140 01:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I don't think the fact that it exists is sufficient reason to include it in an encylopedia, without some indication of why it is notable. --Thunk 23:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete vanity, self-promo Eusebeus 23:30, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, real but non-notable product. There are literally millions of software "products", most of which have been discussed only in press releases and catalogs. It's a BBS door game; so what? Did it revolutionize BBSes or shape the evolution of game software? Did major media cover it widely? I'll change my vote to "Keep" if evidence of "yes" answers is provided. (Article doesn't even claim any notability, let alone demonstrate it.) Shareware almost never meets WP's inclusion criteria. Announced future releases of games with an old title never meet WP's inclusion criteria. Barno 23:33, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  • It did include some gameplay features that were not available in any product before it (as far as I know) - the ability to control the gameplay when the last boss was defeated, and thus directly influence the experience of players who were at a lower experience level than yourself. MetaFox 23:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as cruft. Most of the information in the article was directly copied from here. Even though the article was written by the owner of that company, SotER is not directly worthy of a Wikipedia mention. The game is non-notable and the article serves as advertising, especially since most of the text is copied from the company website. Sycthos^Talk 00:07, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. This game also garners 0 results from Google Groups (USENET). The only person that has talked about this on the whole of the web, USENET, and probably the internet (from what can be gathered) is the creator. Every minor BBS server doesn't have its own article, nor does every minor product ever created by Man. The real reason for the article's creation is evidenced at its home page, which indicates that a "remake" is being created. 24.76.102.140 01:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per... erm... 24.76.102.140. --kingboyk 02:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I think Mickey McMurray and Cyberdog Castle ought to be considered for deletion at the same time, or listed seperately. --kingboyk 02:58, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as gamecruft. Stifle 17:16, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete although I can't work out whether it is complete bollocks or just profoundly un-notable. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 12:30, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.