Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Smurf Communism

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep -- (drini's page|☎) 20:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Smurf Communism

  • Merge This provides a useful footnote to the Smurf entry. As someone who came in looking for info on Smurf Communism I was disappointed to see that somebody somewhere wants to prevent me from finding out about this from Wikipedia. And I thought this site was about sharing information ...
  • Keep A lot of ideas are considered silly to some, but hold merit with others. Who are we to delete something we don't particularly value?
  • Keep Great information and first thing found in my google searcj. Unsigned vote by 149.142.112.2.
  • Original research; also silly. tregoweth 02:08, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - While corny, it does provide a surprisingly useful analysis of communism, and pulls together references to other relevant articles. This is not a new or short-lived analysis, and I have personally used the content in seriousness annually for years.
  • Delete per nomination. tregoweth 02:08, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is a long standing rumor and Google says] it has over 12,000 links about Smurfs and Communism. Zach (Sound Off) 02:12, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Not original research. I've seen this brought up in several places before, and there are plenty of websites that cover this, amazingly enough, that can be cited for this article. In fact, this was mentioned on The Smurfs article, and it seems to have been given a main article because it became too long. Toothpaste 02:21, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Oh, also, this article needs criticism of the theory. Most of the websites where I heard this covered in detail had a criticism to go along with it. Toothpaste 03:51, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Interesting stuff, but I've never heard of it before this, and it just seems too "corny" to be in an encyclopedia. Private Butcher 03:08, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep insidious communism. Klonimus 03:20, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Yea, it is silly, but does seem to be somewhat notable --Rogerd 03:26, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - notable (possibly intentional) metaphor. -- BD2412 talk 04:47, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Note - in reference to many comments below, I agree that a rename is advisable. I like Smurfs and communism.  BD2412 talk 05:10, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep this type of article is one of the things that makes wikipedia special. Just because the article is about a silly topic, doesn't mean it can't be in the encyclopedia. We have a whole collection of this stuff at Wikipedia:Unusual articles. --best, kevin ···Kzollman | Talk··· 05:08, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete This is pure nonsense. Pretty much every kids show that promotes sharing and inter-dependence could get an article called (show name) communism. Just because a bunch of other web sites cover something, doesn't mean we should go down there with them. --rob 05:30, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep for the same reason we need an article about the moon landing hoax hypothesis. If something is at least semi-seriously entertained by enough people who do enough rubbing elbows over it and so on, it deserves mention here. However, the article needs to be improved to include the counter view and the good points brought up by rob. Qaz (talk) 07:19, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep I remember when my teacher taught me about Communism, the Smurfs were used as an example :-). Amren (talk) 13:48, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete per rob, or i'll expect Barney Communism or Big Bird Communism articles, at least until the GOP succeeds with its corporate takeover of PBS. "Sharing is good...unless it gets in the way of profit margins!" Karmafist 14:48, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Extreme traffic cone sex keep, this article has references. The basis of the nomination was that it was original research. Alphax τεχ 14:54, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, but Rename to Smurfs (comparisons to communism) or Smurfs in popular culture. Has references so not original research. feydey 15:56, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, silly. If kept, should be removed from serious categories and placed into a Smurf category.-gadfium 19:28, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - notable, interesting and has references. No reason for it to be deleted. --Loopy 00:15, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - It's not original research, and is not too silly - it can be seen as providing evidence of the exposure of children to vaguely socialist ideas through childrens' television. It is therefore potentially useful. --Potemkin100 02:19, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • STRONG KEEP I was looking up this topic today (did a google search and clicked on the wikipedia link only to find that people are trying to get it deleted so I had to comment because it was clearly of use to me) and this says many of the same things other sites discuss about the topic. It's interesting and can be backed up by numerous other sites. This is not an idea that's too far fetched and there is clearly research involved. Please keep it!! (Unsigned comment by 24.34.169.228 (talk))
  • Smurf This smurfy article is just what Wikipedia needs! Caerwine 05:30, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Wikipedia is not a printed encyclopedia, and there's no reason to save space by deleting a well-written article such as this, as unconvential as the topic may be. Bushytails 06:05, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as insufficiently notable. It's not whether an article is about something wacky or unconventional or silly, it's whether people out in the rest of the world are aware of, or are discussing or recognizing the subject. The Google test above is misleading; if you go a few pages into the Google results, they become pretty random and the "Smurf" and "Communism" references are not necessarily related. "Smurf Communism" (with quotes) yields only 217 results. MCB 06:47, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Yes, but if you type "Communist Smurf" (with quotes), you get 1330 results on google. and 761 for "smurfs are communist" and if you google "papa smurf" and "karl marx" together (both in quotes) you get 2020 results.--Kewp (t) 08:45, 9 October 2005 (UTC)talk
  • Keep well known concept, has been around for quite a while. --Kewp (t) 08:45, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: Well, it looks like this will be kept now. I would suggest a new name be thought of. At a minimum "Communism" should not be capitlized, since "Smurf Communism" is not a proper name of anything. Something semi-neutral like Smurfs (comparisons to communism) would be legitimate (as it doesn't imply there is actually such a thing). Unfortunately, we've now set a precident here, and everyone and everything ever called a "communist" might get a comparable serious or silly POV fork-article. --rob 08:57, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, I would like this article to stay right where it is, but if it does get moved somewhere, I would suggest Smurfs in popular culture, so that we can add the rant from Donnie Darko to it as well. :) --Jacquelyn Marie 22:53, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep MSTCrow 10:01, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • KEEP!!! - This actually came up at my University --24.15.4.5 15:28, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep why delete ? 203.109.252.196 15:34, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep- Interesting in an "urban legends / Art Bell / conspiracy " sort of way.user:Murse
  • Keep. It has references; how is it original research? And silliness is not one of our criteria for deleting articles. --Ashenai (talk) 15:45, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep Very weak. The article as written is nonsensical and too credulous of the idea. Probably spinning on "Smurf rumors" as its own article would suffice. That said there is some justification to this. Scholarly articles on the theory are lacking, but not nonexistent. I did find one article at scholar google that seem to indicate elements of the anti-globalization movement discuss the idea. There seems a small cultural relevance to the notion.--T. Anthony 16:11, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
    • If you think it's "too credulous," you know, you could change it yourself. Add some incredulousness, or whatever. It's the encyclopedia everyone can edit! :) --Jacquelyn Marie 22:54, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
      • I may do that, but I wanted to wait on editing until the delete voting is done.--T. Anthony 06:00, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep I've heard university professors discuss this, perhaps it should be moved to a sub-section of Marxism or Communism, but if it's good enough for academia, it belongs here.Rainman420 16:22, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Excellent, well researched article. (preceding comment by 66.58.97.210) --Ashenai (talk) 17:48, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep commonbrick 19:58, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • ""Keep""
  • Keep. It has references, professors discuss it -- what more do you want? --Jacquelyn Marie 22:49, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep it! Are you crazy?! Why on earth would you want to delete something as original yet true as this? Buncha pinkos. (preceding comment by 83.41.183.179) --Ashenai (talk) 01:16, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Tentative Keep I think who ever wrote this should need to add what the official position of the people who make the Smurfs is on them being a possible communist allegory. --User:jsonitsac (talk) 21:25, 9 October, 2005 (EST)"
    • This made me curious to see what, if any, political views Peyo had but there isn't much to find on the issue. Nor does there seem to be much, if any, response by his company on this or any rumor/theory regarding them.--T. Anthony 03:57, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. --cprompt 03:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Neat little tidbit - culturally relevant. :D 24.0.98.29 03:55, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Popular social(ist) discussion topic - keep it! --Moontorch 06:08, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep I was looking for information on exactly this subject. Thankfully nobody had deleted it... yet :/ --plicease 06:21, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. It's well written, it's an interesting take on a form of government, and humourwise I think it's right up there with "Bert is Evil". It'd be a pity to delete this article Saberwyn 08:31, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, but.... It is a very in depth article with good references. It should not, however be under the Communism section. It is a general theory that many people have heard about, and interesting as a fictional representation of a 'communist utopia', whether the creator intended it to be so or not.Hegar 10:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. Even though it's never been confirmed by the creator, there are far too many parallels between the ideals of practical socialism and the smurfs for this to be dismissed off-hand. Anyone who's really studied Soviet political history / ideology will agree. But yes, should be under a "socialist" rather than a "communist" heading if you want to split hairs. User:Von_sanchez
  • Keep. This isn't like the postmodern deconstructionism that someone tried to insert into C Is For Cookie. DS 11:57, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Ineresting, well-written, and informative on both subjects--Smurfs and Communism. Logophile 16:02, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Sure, it's a troll, but it's still better-written than most of the stuff on here. Twinxor t 04:12, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with the Smurfs page. Simply put, it seems to be a valid area of speculation, albeit silly. However, I think it does not warrant its own page.--ttogreh 07:06, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. It's not original research but a theory that has been around for a long time. David Sneek 07:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep.AaronSw 21:30, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep wadehouston 11 October 20:05 (US Central Time)
  • Merge This is a theory that I have been going off about for many, many years to friends when the Smurfs come up in a conversation. Where I first heard it, I have no idea. I'm not sure what shocked me more, the fact that there was a Wikipedia article devoted to the idea, or the fact that it took me this long to even look it up. However, I think it could be merged with the main Smurfs article.
  • Merge Seems relevant, but it's a stretch to have it stand on its own. I think it can be merged with the main article in its own section, and also condensed and cleaned up a bit. Ottamymind 02:22, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge Fastbak77 03:34, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Interesting and wide-spread cultural phenomenon and debate. Tfine80 05:28, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Mostly original research, and the few bits that aren't can go in Smurf. Gamaliel 05:34, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Smurfy Keep as per above Roodog2k (Hello there!) 15:36, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. C'mon guys, this is transparently a personal essay. Sure, it is amusing as hell but is it enyclopedic? No. --Maru (talk) 21:42, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. My faith in Wikipedia will be sorely tested if this article is kept. Slac speak up! 22:01, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Also extreme traffic cone sex keep. Valid and notable basis in that the subject is real and didn't originate here. --Kizor 01:14, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. But should add it's an Urban Legend, since there's no correlation between Peyo and Marx. Jonah Falcon.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.166.135 (talk • contribs)
  • Keep This article is not original research, as some have claimed, just look at the references at the bottom. Nor dose it claim that Smurf communism is a fact. Read the introduction and you'll see that it's a description of an idea that has been floating on the Internet. Seano1 00:02, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Of course! It's a cultural artifact, and an amusing one to boot. Are the Wikipedia rules humorless? --Paultopia 13:34, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. The idea sounds absurd at first and many think that this article is therefore a troll or a joke. I disagree with them, I think this link between smurfs and communism is a very credible and a valid theory with historical importance. And if it's deleted, I'm pretty sure some newbie creates a new article from the same subject with a different title within months. Trujillo's Dog 01:31, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, if only for the humor value. :)--Kross | Talk 12:29, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - This is probably not original research as some have mentioned, for this meme has been in existence somehow dating back as far as my college years (that would be 1991). There is bound to be some publication somewhere. DomQ, 09:09, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.