Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Smoked Meatloaf

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was del-eat. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smoked Meatloaf

Smoked Meatloaf (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

non-notable subject matter Nashville Monkey 00:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - Source is a forum post. Therefore, unverifiable —Dylan Lake 01:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - It's a recipe. You can "verify" it by cooking it. Smoked meatloaf is becoming very, very popular among the competitive barbecue circiut in the United States. I would agree also to integrate it to the meatloaf article.--Paul McDonald 01:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Commment - If it's a recipe, then it belongs on Wikibooks Cookbook. As it stands, this is just a stub about a non-notable food item. -- Kesh 02:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete It's one line long and the only source is a forum as Dylan noted. This should go quickly.Ganfon 01:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete or, if verified, merge and redirect to barbeque. Newyorkbrad 01:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NOT Bucketsofg 01:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge. First, Wikipedia is not a recipe book; such facilities exist on Wikibooks, as I understand it. Even so, coming to my second point, the article, contrary to Paul McDonald's assertion, is not a recipe: as of my entry here, it describes it as a new favorite amongst barbecueniks, and a variation on meatloaf - and that's it. This is not a recipe, and in fact it's not even a definition. --Dennisthe2 02:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• "Short" -- does just being "short" constitute a bad article? I can remember many one-line entries in other encyclopedias
• "source is a forum" -- are all forums automatically disqualified as sources?
• "merge to barbecue" -- it isn't "barbecued" meatloaf, but "smoked" meatloaf - Smoking (cooking technique) might be more appropriate

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paulmcdonald (talk • contribs) 02:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

• "not a recipe" -- I didn't think it would be appropriate to copy what already existed on one page into another on Wikipedia
• "not verified" -- what kind of "verification" would satisfy you at this point?--Paul McDonald 02:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, with some clarifications. As said earlier, if a recipe were presented there, WP:NOT a recipe guide. Of course, that doesn't mean we never have articles on various types of foods-we most certainly do. What's necessary to establish notability, though, is exactly what it says in that guideline-multiple, non-trivial, and reliable sources. Forums, due to their anonymous and unverified nature, are not a reliable source-though sometimes a post on a forum can point you to better sources which would be considered reliable, I've had that happen more than once Googling for references. As to smoked meatloaf, let's say it really takes off. A couple of big, respectable cooking websites cover it, followed by some "food section" coverage in newspapers. Now we got what we need-multiple non-trivial reliable mentions. At that point, it's time to create an article! Hopefully, that makes some amount of sense out of it-the notability and sourcing guidelines can be tricky at first! Seraphimblade 05:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, unverified new food. One forum post is not a reliable source. JIP | Talk 06:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete I gotta say, "you verify it by cooking it" is the funniest thing I've heard in awhile. JuJube 06:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to Meatloaf. The source in the article doesn't constitute a reliable source, but as Seraphimblade mentioned above, it gets enough Google hits that it appears to be a somewhat common cooking method. The idea it is getting popular on the U.S. Competative BBQ circuit is not bourne out by the sources I see, so I'm not sure this has enough notability to warrent a separate article at this time. I've already added "smoked" as a cooking method to the Meatloaf page so this could just be redirected.--Isotope23 16:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
• Super Delete! per nom. FirefoxMan 17:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Xiner (talk, email) 20:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. You can add a sentence to meatloaf and/or smoking (cooking technique) if you so desire. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orangemike (talk • contribs) 00:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC).
• Merge to Meatloaf, add a sentence or two about it -   •The RSJ•   Talk | Sign Here 02:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete and maybe redirect to meatloaf. Can't see this being a seperate article. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.