Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slumach

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep.--Kubigula (talk) 05:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Slumach

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This gets the Golden WTF? award for puzzling content. I have no idea what it's about, but the tone is not what you'd call promising. Guy (Help!) 23:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Pray--let give this page a chance till I have created the page "Slumach and the Gold of Pitt Lake." This is valid content for Wikipedia I am sure. Whonnockian (talk) 23:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC) fred

I am absolutely new in this. This is a valid entry and I would like to know why it would not be in line with the policies. Anyone out there HELP Whonnockian (talk) 00:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete because of the lack of established or asserted notability. Whonnackian, you should read the Wikipedia content policies - specifically, WP:N for notability, WP:V for verifiability, and WP:RS about reliable sources. Also, note that in the case of this article, while it may be both verifiable and traced to reliable sources it can still fail on notability. AvruchTalk 00:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep for now. This is interesting. Apparently Slumach is some sort of lost mine in the Pitt River area from the 1800s. This might actually be a neat little article, and the person that made it appears to have access to offline/book sources as well. It does read insane, but let this one go a bit. If it's still sounding like nonsense in a month or two we can just nuke it then. There is even a book about this, apparently. I think the article is just very rough around the edges, but I could be wrong. Whatever "Slumach" truly is, as it relates to Pitt Lake, is definitely notable. Whatever it is (lost mine? old mountain man?). • Lawrence Cohen 00:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep if Whonnockian agrees to work to make the article conform with WP:MOS. I think this is notable in that there have been multiple books published about the story and the "lost mine" inspired treasure hunters for decades. We certainly only need the one article, though, not a narrative telling the tale separately. --Dhartung | Talk 00:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

AVRUCH: WP:N -- see comments of Dhartung and Lawrence Cohen. As far as WP:V and WP:RS is concerned, one can't have better materials than the original records. TenPoundHammer /Dhartung/Lawrence C. Many thanks have a look at [1] for source material, published books, videos etc. Now I'll go working on the other shoe. Whonnockian (talk) 00:50, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


Saturday November 24 2007

Folks: I'm completely new to Wikipedia processes, and perhaps am making a misstep here, but I must toss my support being the entry on Slumach. Perhaps it needs reworking, but the legend of Slumach's gold mine is a bona fide part of the history of British Columbia's greater Vancouver area and deserves a spot in your work.

I am a co-author of "Slumach's Gold: In Search of a Legend". In 1972, we three authors published an earlier version of this work which became the local authority on a legend that has been extant since 1890. This fall, we published a much-expanded 35th anniversary edition of this book, which brings to the fore much more information on the legend.

In essence, it comes to this: in 1890, Slumach murdered Louis Bee, and the murder, the two month search for Slumach, his arraignment, his trial, and his hanging were all chronicled in the press of the day, The Columbian newspaper. This much is verifiable historical fact. A decade later, rumours that Slumach had a lost gold mine near Pitt Lake, just a few dozen miles from Vancouver, surfaced. The rumours said that Slumach had cursed his mine on the gallows, ensuring no one would find it and live. The likely area where ANY mine might be found is treacherous back country, and gold seekers can run afoul of bad weather, difficult terrain, wild animals, etc., and die very easily. There have been many deaths of people searching for the mine, and the popular press has created the image that these deaths are the result of Slumach's curse, though there's no verifiable source for the concept that he even spoke as he stood on the gallows. Certainly, witnesses said that he spoke not a word before he was hanged.

Slumach's story has been told and retold in The Columbian newspaper (now long gone), The Vancouver Sun and The Province, both major newspapers in Vancouver and environs, and in numerous magazines, television productions, etc.

So...this is legit! Our book is on bookshelves everywhere in the Vancouver area right now, spent four weeks on the BC Bestsellers list (books produced in British Columbia) and is available at Chapters.ca, Amazon.ca, and others. Our new website is at www.slumachsgold.ca. Others have produced similar works.

This entry DESERVES a place on Wikipedia. I suggest you give it some time to be rewritten or edited to your satisfaction. The author of the entry is a credible local source of information on the "facts" that relate to the legend. His own website is available at www.slumach.ca. Please check out these references, confirm to your satisfaction that indeed this is a legitimate candidate for a place in your wonderful creation, and allow the author of the piece time to rework it to your satisfaction!

Thank you for your consideration. I'm hoping my intervention will actually appear on line when I hit "Save Page"...but this is my first time at this, so I dunno.

Brian Antonson Co-author "Slumach's Gold: In Search of a Legend"

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slumach" 69.31.179.30 (talk) 03:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Give it time. Give the article a little time to get fixed up, or have Whonnockian put the page on a User sub page until it's fully ready to be on the encyclopedia. Malinaccier (talk • contribs) 18:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Has now been shown to be notable with references. Moving to user space is not the answer, as in main space more experienced editors can help with style issues. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Quirky pieces on local events, such as the Red Barn Murder can sometimes make it to FA. if well sourced SilkTork *SilkyTalk 15:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


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