Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Six million

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. east.718 at 00:36, 11/4/2007

[edit] Six million

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This article serves no purpose Vidor 06:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete - fails the notability criteria for numbers as it is a basically uninteresting number. The holocaust claims are already covered in the appropriate article. - Peripitus (Talk) 06:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, because what a shiny coatrack it is. As if the article 19 (number) were all about how 9/11 was a conspiracy. --Dhartung | Talk 08:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, agree with the coatrack analogy. Good policy, thanks for pointing it out. THE KING 08:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Changing my vote to keep, revert, trim and move as per Eager Contributor. The stuff about Jewish populations today has to be removed, as WP:Coatrack clearly applies, but other than that, the old version would be acceptable as Six Million (number). THE KING 09:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Among Jews it is not a "basically uninteresting number" but is emotive because of the Holocaust. Anthony Appleyard 09:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, revert, trim and move, change back to this, cut out the stuff on the world's current Jewish population but leave the bit in about the emotive connection to WW2, then move to Six Million (number). This article is about a number and as such is inherently notable and avaliable for expansion, plus it has a historical connection which can be mentioned Eager Contributor 09:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • The artice is not inherently notable, serves no discernible function, and contains no information that doesn't belong in other articles, principally the article on the Holocaust. Why have some article on "six million" hanging out there when the article on the Holocaust examines in detail the various death toll estimates? This is clearly a coatrack for Holocaust denial. Vidor 10:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Yes, there are an estimated 6 million Jews in America. And yes, an estimated 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. But we don't have articles for 2974, three million, or 162,653,774, nor should we. There is no particular meaning to this number outside a discussion of the Holocaust, and thus any discussion of it in relation to the Holocaust should stay in the Holocaust article(s). This is a coatrack redirect. - Che Nuevara 15:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Coatrack or not, this number doesn't seem to meet the notability requirement. Someguy1221 15:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Wow. Textbook case of coatrack. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 18:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - the phrase has caltural meening [1][2] [3] [4] Deror 08:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
    • It's a number, and the article is about the number of people killed in the holocaust. We have an article about the holocaust. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 17:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Pointless article, possible Coatrack and non-notable.Alberon 12:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom and arguments above. It might also be argued it is a breach of wp:memorial.--victor falk 17:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Question: I have never nominated an article for deletion before. How long do we wait? An admin would do it, correct? Vidor 19:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Answer: An admin will come along in no less than five days to close. Someguy1221 19:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. "Six million" is sometimes used in popular reference as shorthand for the holocaust - by Jews, historians and deniers alike - and that needs to be acknowledged somewhere. On the other hand it would be inane to make this article a redirect to "holocaust" or a disambiguation page. Run a google search for "six million", weed out the references to Steve Austin, and see what you get: websites, book titles, etc. referring to the holocaust. This is on of my favorites (humor alert). --woggly 07:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
    • I'm with you on this, but the way the article existed at the time of the AfD's start was very much a coatrackish article. The article as it existed per Eager Contributor I think is an acceptable compromise, and is more encyclopedic than what is there right now. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 17:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
    • "that needs to be acknowledged somewhere". Sure. In the article about the Holocaust. Vidor 22:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom and coatrack. Greswik 18:44, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.