Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sirsy

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. To address the nominator's concerns, Bearian has added citations to the article, establishing the subject's notability. The Transhumanist 02:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sirsy

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Subject is not notable. Opening for notable bands does not equal notability, as local bands do this all the time. The only claim to notability appears to be criterion 10, which states that "if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page." Additionally, the notability of Dorian Blues is a bit questionable. Jonwatson69 (talk) 22:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


  • Keep - I would disagree with the asessment that the band is non-notable. Appearing in and contributing three songs to the film Dorian Blues. National television appearances on both cable and broadcast television. Placing in a national music competition. I believe this more than meets the minimum requirements of notability. Griff (talk) 00:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The evidence is just not there; there are no independent sources. The article makes lots of claims, such as "Sirsy has also written theme music for and appeared in promotional spots for Time Warner Cable and the WB Network." However, it's not obvious that this is national or important coverage, and the very sentence itself is not cited to anything. The article also claims, "In the summer of 2007 Sirsy placed in the finals of a national competition." What national competition? If these things actually happened and are notable, I am sure that you can find the sources to back up all of these claims. As for Dorian Blues, I already pointed out the its questionable notability and criterion 10's recommendation that Sirsy redirect there. Jonwatson69 (talk) 01:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not trying to knock you down, I want to see the article up to snuff as I believe it deserves to be listed. I've added more details about the Last band Standing competition, including a screenshot of their entry page and the top five listing. As for redirecting to the information regarding Dorian Blues, I'm not sure what you mean. Should I change the dorian link to go directly to the IMDB page, which lists the band members in the credits. I'm asking you to do more than criticize, please guide me in making the article the best it can be. As I stated, I believe that the requirements have been met. help me put them forward in the best possible way. Griff (talk) 01:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

For the article to meet notability criteria, it needs to cite independent sources. Additionally, the article now claims that "in January 2008 Sirsy made their national broadcast television debut on the television program Fearless Music. The program aired in syndication on stations throughout the United States." However, Fearless Music states that "the show only air(s) in New York and a few other metropolitan areas." That certainly isn't national, and there is no citation to prove that they appeared on this show--in fact, Fearless Music's page of bands featured on the show doesn't even list Sirsy. I actually was able to find the link to their appearance; however, it is shorter than thirty minutes and appears on a regional program. This does not meet criterion 12, which requires that a band must have "been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network."

Concerning the music competition, the image you added appears to violate copyright, and it looks like some online competition through which anyone could have submitted a video. Perhaps if the band had won, it would mean something, but this stretches the limits of notability.

In regard to criterion 10, if a band's only claim to notability is composing music for a notable film, their page should redirect to the film's page. Jonwatson69 (talk) 01:51, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I know, I promised back on October 26, 2007 to work on this, but I've been busy (my Mom's final illness, work, etc.) I'm working on it now. They really are the biggest pop rock band out of Upstate New York since the Goo Goo Dolls. Their claim to musical notability is National touring, if anything. Bearian (talk) 21:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
BTW, Fearless Tv is a syndicated show see, [1]. Bearian (talk) 00:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
They meet criteria 4, 7, 10, and 12 - National/International tours, music for TV/movies, major representative of a city's style, and 1/2 hour or longer syndicated TV show. Bearian'sBooties (talk) 18:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


  • Keep, From all mentioned they seem notable - lots of releases, have been on tv, etc...--Him and a dog 16:40, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.