Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sir James Stronge, 2nd Baronet

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Stronge Baronets. The history will be left alone so any relevant information can be merged to the main page. JoshuaZ 01:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sir James Stronge, 2nd Baronet

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Reason No events of notability shown - existing and getting married does not pass WP:BIO possible redirect to Stronge Baronets. Vintagekits 14:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete and redirect per nomination. Edison 16:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge I think it would be better to have all the shorter articles merged into Stronge Baronets, but the decision should be made by the group working on British peerage based on the guidelines they created on who gets automatic coverage. In the USA we give auto-notability down to the level of mayor. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 17:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - a Baronet is not a member of the peerage and doesnt get any powers like peers did.--Vintagekits 17:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Meets criteria of WP:Notability. Needs improvement.--Edtropolis 19:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• Comment, According to a member of the Arbitration Committee and the Peerage Project The presumption of notability for peers has never rested on them being peers in itself, but rather on the fact that up until 1999 most hereditary peerages earned you a seat in a national legislature, and members of national legislatures are presumed notable. Baronets have no such claim, and individual baronets must attempt to meet WP:BIO as individuals], so baronets are not automatically notable. --Vintagekits 12:55, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Gentleman of the Privy Chamber, Deputy Lieutenant, DCL and Baronet. Part of a series of articles, which it adds to.--Counter-revolutionary 22:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:N and WP:BIO, there's no assertion that he did anything noteworthy: so he was a gentleman of the Privy chamber (note capitalization unless he was working for the Ottoman government), sounds impressive on this side of the pond until one reads the article to see what that means: "The gentlemen of the privy chamber were servants to the Crown, who were to wait and attend on the King and Queen at Court, in their various activities and diversions" in otherwords, a butler, go-fer, with a picky client; there is no assertion that these were few in number (on the contrary a half dozen of these blokes were seconded to wait on ambassadors) or that he held that position for a noteworthy long time; a Deputy Lieutenant of a county or two sounds less impressive - a deputy usually means a secondary position as does a lieutenant, when combined... Reading that article (unsourced as it is), shows that the position is merely "one of several" deputies to the Lord-Lieutenant (a position this guy never held) of a (in this case) Northern Irish county. So, in the US seems equivalent to the assistant to a county executive officer: cuts ribbons on new shelters for abandoned dogs, sewer treatment plants, etc. Not notable. Carlossuarez46 01:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment If you look at the rest of the article about the Privy Chamber, you see 'they were empowered to execute the King's verbal command, and without producing any written order; their person and character being deemed sufficient authority.' That's quite a bit more than being a gofer. Edward321 19:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep full agreement with Counter-revolutionary. JJL 03:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep- all Baronets are automatically notable Astrotrain 08:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to Stronge Baronets. Non-notable person, fails WP:BIO - titles do not confer notability, JPs & DLs are low-level functionaries - DCL is a qulaification. The series is aristocruft, and a walled garden - Tiswas^(t) 19:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
• Comment - a baronetcy is a hereditary knighthood. A first baronet will be automatically notable - otherwise he would not have been thus honoured. For a second (or subsequent) baronet notability needs to be established on the basis of what he has done, not who his father was. In this case, notability is marginal at best. the best solution is to merge into Stronge Baronets. Peterkingiron 23:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete/Redirect This was really unnecessary as it has already been determined in numerous afds now that Peers, Baronets or any other type of noble who have very little notability except their title should be redirected to the relevant page for that title. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 02:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete: Delete and redirect to Stronge Baronets. Deputy Lieutenants in each county are plentiful as are minor courtiers. Having one's father die when one is 18 and building an extension on ne's home are hardly indicative of worth, merit or notability. Giano 11:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Counter-revolutionary. Edward321 19:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.