Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simko Shikak

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep - AfD has run its course, and the only person who said delete was the nom. Could really do with a rewrite though. Non admin closure (not that it makes a difference). Giggy ^{Talk | Review} 01:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Simko Shikak

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The article lacks enough sources, and the person doesn't seem notable enough to have a separate article. It looks more like like a political editorial promoting this fringe person, rather than an encyclopedic entry. A Google search [1] only generates 25 results, mostly from political forums. So, either the article should be expanded with neutral sources asserting the notability of this person, and then re-written in a neutral manner or deleted. --Mardavich 02:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• Weak Keep if expanded and written in neutral manner. Harlowraman 05:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Looking for information on a early 20th century political figure in google will of course get only the modern controversial use made of the events. A clearly important historical figure, and there will clearly be more sources--in print. DGG (talk) 06:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Bad nomination. Simko is considered as a great Kurdish hero. Brusk u Trishka 10:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
• General Comment I've done some further research in other languages, and Simko Shikak was merely a Kurdish warlord who is notorious for massacring Assyrians, but the article gives the impression that this person was the "president" of some imaginary republic that never existed and does not mention anything about the massacre of Assyrians at his hand. If the article is to be kept, it needs to be re-written to address these serious inaccuracy and POV problems. --Mardavich 20:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: Simko the Great, saved our race from an evil plot of foreigners to annihilate Kurds. He bravely and rightfully killed a lot of soldiers of foreigners who today label themselves as Iranians, Although that term is only 100 years old and that is another story :)

Brusk, you are something else, really. Chaldean 23:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Article needs more sourcing and cleanup, but as DGG points out sources are far more likely to be in print than electronic form. Edward321 01:33, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep He set up a Kurdish republic in 1923, and this has been reported by New York Times and Washington Post. see here [2],[3]. He is also mentioned numerous times in scholarly articles about Kurdish history, see here [4]. More English sources will be added soon. Also note that on books.google.com, Simko get 123 hits[5].Heja Helweda 02:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
• I have no opinion on whether it should be deleted or not but what I will say is that the article is horribly written and is filled with terminology inappropriate to an "encyclopedia". If you're going to keep it, someone with at least some command of the English language should spend the time to fix it. Otherwise get rid of it, as it'd be one less badly written article to have to come across. IrantoIran 08:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.