Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SimCity 5 (second nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There's no agreement on whether or not this should be mentioned in SimCity 4, so that's left up to editors on that article. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SimCity 5 (second nomination)

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(1st AfD)

I have decided to suggest deletion of this article again. First, this article was deleted before, little has changed since then. Second, most of the information in this article can easily be placed in the "Future Updates" section of the existing SimCity 4 article. Third, very little is still confirmed of the next SimCity including the title of the game, so this article can not go very far at the moment. Camaron1 20:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Keep it! Let us remember that they are currently occupied with Spore right now and making the game the best it can be. The game has gone 3 main sequels and they'll probably go on for four considering the popularity of the game. Just give it time and wait for Spore to be released. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.104.147.99 (talk) 01:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC).
Delete Even with the sources, this article is a little too crystal ballsy for me. One of the references is some obscure russian website that had supposedly had a launch date once, but it isn't there now. In another one Will Wright was asked what direction the game was going he answered "We haven't figured out what it is." That's enough to delete for me Oskar 23:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge as per Anthony_cfc Crested Penguin 02:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge per Anthony. Nothing wrong with indicating SC5 is in development but until an actual release is announced, it's too much Crystal Ball. Just because a game is in development doesn't mean its release is a guarantee. See Duke Nukem Forever (which, granted, has an article but that's because it's an unusually notable case. You won't find an article of the 1995 Playstation One Aeon Flux game which was even advertised on TV but was never actually released.) 23skidoo 17:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete and Protect: First of all, although SimCity 5 was confirmed in 2004, little has changed. In fact, the "proof" that SimCity 5 was being developed is all crystalballery, it only said "a new SimCity game". That could mean a number of things. Also, SimCity may or may not be developed by Maxis, it could be done by another of EA's lackeys. There is just little that can be placed here. TheListUpdater 21:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, Classic application of WP:CRYSTAL. Wikipedia ia a reality-based encyclopedia, not a vapor-based one. --Shirahadasha 01:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:CRYSTAL, especially given the report for Sim City 5 was from 2004. Duke Nukem Forever has been "in development" longer, true, but there are reasonable updates regarding the development of the game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lankybugger (talk • contribs) 13:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
  • Weak keep. EA said that a new SimCity game is in development. EA makes the game. It's reliable. TRKtv (daaaaah!) 20:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep Obviously some people have not paid attention to the sources LAST year it was confirmed in the fiscal outlook for 2007. Not 2004 so it has reliable information behind it. Please pay more attention. - Mike Beckham 11:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I would like to point out that the comment made for a SimCity being in development in the 2007 outlook was very ambiguous. The reference was very brief and it is not clear if the reference was to SimCity 5, and not SimCity DS. Also, while I respect your views, I would appreciate it if everyone kept a cool head while commenting. Camaron1 | Chris 18:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Don't worry, I have kept a coo, head, I was merely pointing out the facts. - Mike Beckham 01:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete due to a lack of confirmation that the game is actually in development. The sources given only indicate that the game is in 'early planning' or 'in the pipeline'. I haven't seen any evidence that a single line of code has been written. There is basically zero actual information on the game. I also oppose merge, as the existence of a SimCity 5 would not constitute an 'update' to SimCity 4. They are games in and of themselves. Updates to SimCity 4 would be things like patches, expansion packs, downloadable add-ons, etc. --SubSeven 19:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge. WP:CRYSTAL applies. - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 19:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Even if the game is going to be released, there is no need to keep the article as there is no specific information about the actual contents of the game itself. Much of the article is speculation, it can be recreated when the time is necessary. - PoliticalJunkie 21:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge - Vague speculation from fairly reliable sources is worth a couple sentences, just not a whole article. Wickethewok 21:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep verified by multiple reliable sources, no prediction of content beyond that which is verified by said sources, I don't honestly see what's wrong with this article. If your only complaint is that the game hasn't been released yet then sorry, that isn't part of the deletion criteria (see Halo 3, Mercenaries 2, etc.) Cynical 22:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
There is a big difference between the notability of Halo 3 and Mercenaries 2 than that of SimCity 5. While the development of these games are clear, as shown by the articles, that can not be said with SimCity 5. Though some sources have stated that the game is in development, they are not clear and I would argue that most are not necessarily reliable. Camaron1 | Chris 23:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete There doesn't seem to be any substantial evidence this game is in serious development. Delete it until there is. FredOrAlive 00:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.